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English: A vs. An

365 points · 529 comments · azhenley

  1. hbn · · focus · HN ↗
    A funny quirk of English I never noticed until I started learning Spanish:

    In Spanish, to say for example, "he is a doctor," you would say "él es médico." Which more literally translates to "he is doctor," which feels unintuitive coming from English. Spanish DOES have an equivalent for "a" - "un/una", so the natural thing for an English speaker to say would be "él es UN médico", but I understand that to be awkward/unnatural.

    But then I realized, when you say the same sentence in plural - "they are doctors" - you don't have an article. You don't say "they are some doctors" (I had to Google, apparently "some" isn't an article anyway?)

    So Spanish ends up more consistent - Singular: "Él es médico." Plural: "Ellos son medicos."

    Unlike English - Singular: "He is a doctor." Plural: "They are doctors."

    1. nutjob2 · · focus · HN ↗
      In "They are doctors" the 'they' is the subject and you don't need articles. 'They' is plural.

      But in "The doctors are female" you do because the subject is some specific group of doctors. It's singular because its a single group of things.

      1. Joker_vD · · focus · HN ↗
        > you don't need articles. 'They' is plural.

        But why not? Plural indefinite article exists in some languages, why not in English?

        1. jacobsimon · · focus · HN ↗
          I can’t speak about other languages but in my head the simplest reason is that English “a/an” specifies “one”, eg “I have a cat and two dogs.” I googled and confirmed a/an is Old English for “one” but otherwise they didn’t use articles. I assume it’s a similar origin story for other languages like “un/una/une”. In that case, it’s equally strange that other languages would make “one” plural imo.
          1. Joker_vD · · focus · HN ↗
            There are some nouns that are always plurals e.g. "scissors" or "pants", and those things still arguably need indefinite/definite distinction, right? Actually no, the very use of plain "scissors" instead of "*a scissors" demonstrates very well the redundancy of the indefinite article, but let's pretend.
            1. nutjob2 · · focus · HN ↗
              That's just an oddity due to nominally singular items having plural names.

              "*a scissors/pants" is correctly "a pair of scissors/pants" and you still use the definite "the scissors/pants"

              So "get me scissors" is a bit odd but works only because the singular item happens to have a plural name.

              1. Joker_vD · · focus · HN ↗
                Again, e.g. Bulgarian uses едни ("ones") as essentially plural indefinite article, and for genuinely plural things too. It's not nearly as pervasive as the English usage (the null article is used in most cases), but it exists. While in English you could reply to "Where are you going?" with "To hang out with some friends" ('it doesn't really matter to you which ones exactly'), in Bulgarian that "some" would be translated as "едни", not "няколко" or "някои" (technically, you could use that last one, but the meaning would be that you're yourself not sure with whom exactly you're going to hang out there).
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