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English: A vs. An

365 points · 529 comments · azhenley

  1. abraxas · · focus · HN ↗
    What gets me as a non-native speaker far more than "a vs an" is the "a vs the" conundrum. I still don't quite get when something needs to be "indefinite" and I've been speaking English for close to forty years. My native tongue lacks articles altogether and it's soo bloody hard I feel hopeless I'll ever master them fully.
    1. AndrewDucker · · focus · HN ↗
      If there's more than one, and you don't care which one, then it's "a". If you care which one then it's "the".

      "Pass me a plate" - any plate will do. "Pass me the plate" - I want the specific plate which we were talking about.

      1. layer8 · · focus · HN ↗
        That rule isn’t universal though. “I go to the dentist every year” doesn’t imply that I particularly care about a specific dentist (or, case in point, about the specific dentist).

        “This was a nice evening” is also difficult to characterize as not caring about which evening it is. As are books titled “An Introduction to XYZ”, where both the authors and the readers will probably care about the specific book.

        1. rawling · · focus · HN ↗
          I'm going to the bank, the shop, the dentist, the pool - I have a regular one in mind and you may well also know which one I mean.

          I'm going to a bank, a shop, a dentist - I've found a new one and I may well be about to describe it to you.

          "A nice evening" - there have been ones before, there hopefully will be again, this was one of them.

          1. layer8 · · focus · HN ↗
            Sure, but that’s different from “you do/don't care which one”.
            1. shhsshs · · focus · HN ↗
              “Care” may not be the correct word, but in those examples the difference is whether you are referring to a specific instance, or any instance of a group. When you say “I went to the doctor,” you did in fact go to a specific doctor (or “I will go to the doctor” meaning you will go to one). It would be equally valid to say “I went to a doctor”, it’s just less specific.
              1. necovek · · focus · HN ↗
                I believe it is food for thought — would one ever say "this was the nice evening"?

                Here it only sounds OK if you make the adjective stronger ("this was the nicest evening", though you'd probably avoid "nice" in this case and go with "best", "most amazing"...), or drop the adjective altogether ("this was the evening").

                So nuance is that you might have many nice evenings, with this being one of — but what if you do not, and all are actually terrible except for this one? I guess with proper pronounciation of "THE nice", it can still work (we already talked about nice evenings and not-nice ones, so it'd be "this was the nice one"), but it'd be pretty awkward.

                1. shhsshs · · focus · HN ↗
                  One could imagine a very stressful weekend (two evenings), one of which was “the rough evening” and the other was “the nice evening”.
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