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Measure internet censorship

221 points · 162 comments · Bluestein

  1. howunfortunate · · focus · HN ↗
    Hmm.

    I'd wager the vast majority of internet censorship is within platform, like that done by Reddit mods.

    The most egregious example I've seen in my lifetime was when old Twitter decided to censor a NYPost article, down to blocking sharing in DMs.

    It seems that type of example is entirely missed here. Is there any attempt to capture that signal?

    1. eigenspace · · focus · HN ↗
      If you count platform moderation as 'censorship' then there's practically no uncensored public spaces on the internet.

      Literally even 4chan has moderation.

      Nobody, not even 4chan users, want an actually unmoderated space.

      1. zrobotics · · focus · HN ↗
        4chan users might want that, but even for the types of people willing to operate a site like that they don't want to be liable for the amount of CSAM, piracy, and other legally objectionable material that would end up on a fully unmoderated site.
        1. numpad0 · · focus · HN ↗
          CSAM and piracy aren't the worst of examples on a site like 4chan. People... like clinically insane people just keeps scriptbombing someone's private addresses and bomb threats and other schizophrenic copypastas(not regular ones like Blackbird speed checks or "Glasses are versatile", but more like cognitohazards) as well as there will be viagra/cialis/poker/prostitution/roblox spams. I think those in that order should be the primary concern for keeping BBS running because those chase normal people away.

          For the two categories mentioned above that are plainly illegal, I think, ironically, you can probably just keep AI classifiers running and wait for calls from NCMEC or DMCA emails, exploiting safe harbor clauses and/or by pointing at reasonable measures you've taken. If you have a large post volumes and short public log retention(private logs will probably have to be kept), that would help keeping the pressure low for those.

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