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Key symbols we lost to time, pt. 2: The Mac side

163 points · 89 comments · zdw

  1. Sardtok · · focus · HN ↗
    Aaaah, he's got carriage return and enter mixed up. The whole reason for the symbol being an arrow returning to the beginning of the line, is because it's the return key. I love the Canadian enter symbol, an arrow pointing into a box.
    1. fasola · · focus · HN ↗
      Enter appropriated the same “arrow returning” symbol long ago, and the key is colloquially known more often as Enter these days.
      1. Sardtok · · focus · HN ↗
        Yes, but he calls the enter key return and the return key enter.
        1. fasola · · focus · HN ↗
          No. He calls the big one Enter presumably in recognition that’s what people know it as (check how any cross-platform web app calls it), and the numpad one Return/Enter because that’s what it is collectively known as across all the platforms. This all makes sense to me. Since the keys on the photos don’t have labels, this feels better for a reader in 2026 than being overly pedantic.
          1. tom_ · · focus · HN ↗
            Right, but if you're referring to Return as Enter, then there's no reason to refer to Enter as Return. The reason for the change is that people don't distinguish the two. If we're going to eliminate this distinction, we should do it properly!

            (I've had blank looks from a few colleagues after suggesting they press the Return key (that being the term I used to refer to the Return key) - which makes me wonder what percentage of people even know that Return is the name of a key. Perhaps we should retire the term entirely.)

            1. fasola · · focus · HN ↗
              I would love for Apple to move from Return to Enter as the default label, indeed.
              1. addaon · · focus · HN ↗
                How would that work for all the software that distinguishes between them? The standard (see e.g. Mathematica) is for `return` to create a new line in a multi-line text field, and `enter` (`fn+return` on a keyboard without a dedicated key) to execute/evaluate/commit the field.
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