Link to the video for the curious: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE . I would note the bot is not APM limited, and comments suggest (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7oy5dex4AaABAg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgxBrY4CkuZx7... , <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJTgmiBN14AaABAg" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vsTqNwHquE&lc=UgyZ0XVFDqzJT...) it's likely using map hacks, both of which make the bot significantly less impressive.
If you read the TL thread on this, the bot is technically running at 240 APM, but its commands get split off into separate commands for each unit, so the APM looks higher.
I've watched several replays on this. It using map hacks is lame but it also doesn't always take advantage of them. It sometimes does respect its own fog of war. It mostly wins with incredible micro (kinda has to, it's macro kinda sucks).
Most of its few losses come from drops (it never makes turrets and doesn't know how to handle them), bad macro (blocking its own ramp) or just incredibly unconventional play from its opponent (which is certainly not in its training set).
It’s not “endless complaining” when the bot is functionally cheating. Yes if you let a computer use special mechanisms it will operate faster than a person who is using a mouse and a keyboard. A computer computers better than a person, what a revelation.
I don’t applaud people using aim assist in CS for the same reason. We literally don’t have access to the same tools. That’s why chess has been such a great target for years. One’s ability to manipulate the pieces has no bearing.
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vitaflo · · focus · HN ↗
I've watched several replays on this. It using map hacks is lame but it also doesn't always take advantage of them. It sometimes does respect its own fog of war. It mostly wins with incredible micro (kinda has to, it's macro kinda sucks).
Most of its few losses come from drops (it never makes turrets and doesn't know how to handle them), bad macro (blocking its own ramp) or just incredibly unconventional play from its opponent (which is certainly not in its training set).
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stephbook · · focus · HN ↗
"Oh it's able to issue commands too fast." "Oh no, I give it full map access and it uses that."
Ego shooters are, naturally, also not good benchmarks.
OpenAI won DotA2 in 2019, a way better game.
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I don’t applaud people using aim assist in CS for the same reason. We literally don’t have access to the same tools. That’s why chess has been such a great target for years. One’s ability to manipulate the pieces has no bearing.
stephbook · · focus · HN ↗
That's exactly why it's a bad game for human/AI competition.