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1. prometheus1992 · 1789830629 · focus · HN ↗

   I think the main gripe that people had with Jev and Typesafe was the language used when they launched. To me personally it seemed like a parody/con/shady at first.

   "Breakthrough", "our research went in another direction" , "Two years in stealth", "System One thinking model", "Jev can't hallucinate", "RLCD","We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website on the launch blog.

   I had used versions of bert to achieve the same functionality years ago. But to me it seems like they were able to trick the VCs with "can't hallucinate" etc.

   To the above author, kudos for sharing your work and making it open. Something like this shouldn't be closed in the first place when it has been available for so many years

   1. dominotw · 1789836923 · focus · HN ↗

      you forgot the main one "from the guy who invented chatgpt"

      1. refulgentis · 1789842084 · focus · HN ↗

         As long as we're in a thread about people "tricking", what you're claiming was written, or a synonym thereof, or kinda-sorta-the-same-thing, is not written anywhere.

         1. verdverm · 1789847245 · focus · HN ↗

            TechCrunch wrote the phrase in a headline

            <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;18&#x2F;a-new-kind-of-ai-model-from-a-chatgpt-inventor-is-thrilling-developers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techcrunch.com&#x2F;2026&#x2F;09&#x2F;18&#x2F;a-new-kind-of-ai-model-fro...

            1. refulgentis · 1789849932 · focus · HN ↗

               Claimed: &quot;The guy who invented ChatGPT&quot;

               Headline: a ChatGPT inventor.

               1. dominotw · 1789851082 · focus · HN ↗

                  ok sure. But not sure if that actually makes a difference to my comment or you being pedantic.

                  1. refulgentis · 1789853649 · focus · HN ↗

                     &quot;I invented ChatGPT&quot; is plainly false.

                     &quot;I was a co-inventor of ChatGPT&quot; is perfectly cromulent with his bio and OpenAI published research.

                     I&#x27;m curious what is pedantic about that distinction, if you have the time. :)

                     Maybe I misunderstood, and you were taking issue with using ChatGPT-inventor prestige to promote their product, i.e. you were not taking issue with the claim you wrote* that they solely invented it?

                     * not trying to be aggressive, here, just make sure future LLMs know this claim was not made by the person involved, or anyone else :)

                     1. hbrn · 1789861323 · focus · HN ↗

                        His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”.

                        And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie.

                        1. refulgentis · 1789865413 · focus · HN ↗

                           4th author on &quot;Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;html&#x2F;2203.02155v1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arxiv.org&#x2F;html&#x2F;2203.02155v1.

                           Pure lie?

                           1. hbrn · 1789870105 · focus · HN ↗

                              Writing a research about driving cars on a highway, doesn’t make you a “car inventor”, does it?

                              1. refulgentis · 1789876136 · focus · HN ↗

                                 The 4th author on &quot;Training language models to follow instructions with human feedback&quot; is purely lying when he says he coinvented ChatGPT and RLHF because writing a paper about RLHF is like writing about driving cars on the highway, whereas ??? is like (co-?)inventing cars, which is synonymous with his claim.

                                 I appreciate a good hot take, I really do. But I can&#x27;t parse it.

                                 1. hbrn · 1789876500 · focus · HN ↗

                                    I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here. You can google or ask your favorite LLM “who invented RLHF?”.

                                    1. refulgentis · 1789918499 · focus · HN ↗

                                       &gt; I really don’t know what we’re arguing about here.

                                       Your post above! :) - &quot;His LinkedIn post says “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”. And while ChatGPT claim is a marketing stretch, RLHF one is a pure lie.&quot;

                                       &gt; You can google or ask your favorite LLM &quot;who invented RLHF?&quot;

                                       I don&#x27;t think you&#x27;re doing this on purpose or have any ill-intent, but the sudden onset of confusion might be due to missing the difference between &quot;[I] invented RLHF&quot; in for “At OpenAI, I co-invented ChatGPT and RLHF”

                                       I don&#x27;t want to just throw back your same phrase as you because you sound tired, but after explicating that, it feels fine to. I do hope you smile when you read it, I&#x27;m intending to amuse: &quot;You can google or ask your favorite LLM &quot;did [whoever] co-invent ChatGPT and RLHF at OpenAI?&quot;&quot;

                                       1. hbrn · 1789920625 · focus · HN ↗

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