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1. prometheus1992 · 1789830629 · focus · HN ↗

   I think the main gripe that people had with Jev and Typesafe was the language used when they launched. To me personally it seemed like a parody/con/shady at first.

   "Breakthrough", "our research went in another direction" , "Two years in stealth", "System One thinking model", "Jev can't hallucinate", "RLCD","We are doing very cool stuff, but we will have to hire you to tell you", - these are some of the things that they said on their website on the launch blog.

   I had used versions of bert to achieve the same functionality years ago. But to me it seems like they were able to trick the VCs with "can't hallucinate" etc.

   To the above author, kudos for sharing your work and making it open. Something like this shouldn't be closed in the first place when it has been available for so many years

   1. seizethecheese · 1789836567 · focus · HN ↗

      I was confused by the “can’t hallucinate” thing, because it sounded like BS but people were taking it seriously. I purposefully asked a stupid question sort of like “this can’t hallucinate because it only has one output and there’s a schema?”. Was disappointed to learn the answer was yes.

      1. 0x457 · 1789845352 · focus · HN ↗

         Why would you think "can't hallucinate" means "can't pick wrong probability of an option" ?

         1. dojomouse · 1789847508 · focus · HN ↗

            Hallucination is the result of a series of choices of options based on poor predictions of probability (or poor sampling from a probability distribution). As I understand the typesafe approach they’re allowing the set of options to be constrained, but the potential for a misrepresentative probability distribution is still there, and hence so is the potential for “hallucination”.

            1. 0x457 · 1789866073 · focus · HN ↗

               Yes, but that won't be a hallucination. Same root cause, but IMO it was pretty clear they meant "given options red, green, blue this will never say purple", doesn't mean it still can't misclassify green as blue.

               1. dojomouse · 1790494346 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yup, fair enough - having read the full overview from typesafe I agree they mean “won’t assign a probability to an outcome outside a defined set” rather than “won’t incorrectly assign a probability”.

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