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1. dcow · 1789828104 · focus · HN ↗

   I can understand why the author feels bitter but it still feels juvenile to me. Certainly both Jev and Laya are based on the research of countless prior papers and academics. Diogo decided to build a product out of the concept. The author didn't. Publishing research papers and model weights is probably part of the problem--it feels academic. If you look at the author's profile they focus on applying AI to healthcare. Not selling general AI type safety to AI pilled companies and devs. There's a big difference there. Whether that's good or bad you can argue all day. But for the author to expect otherwise is pretty weird. I do applaud them for not stewing too much on it and trying to do something about it, though.

   1. operaopera · 1789828352 · focus · HN ↗

      I believe his qualms were with the "hype" in Jev's announcement: specifically calling this kind of model a breakthrough, without crediting previous art, and keeping everything closed source.

      1. prodigycorp · 1789828521 · focus · HN ↗

         And how is laya previous art? The project was vibecoded and posted yesterday.

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;NandhaKishorM&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;NandhaKishorM&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main&#x2F;

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;convaiinnovations&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;huggingface.co&#x2F;convaiinnovations&#x2F;laya&#x2F;commits&#x2F;main

         1. prometheus1992 · 1789830960 · focus · HN ↗

            @prodigycorp - reading your comments here on this post - you seem pretty hurt by this post.

            1. prodigycorp · 1789831126 · focus · HN ↗

               Yeah, the reason why I am annoyed by it is because a person (who felt like a burner account of the laya creator) yesterday was haranguing me for saying that projects like this were vibe coded, posting the link to this project.

               I evaluated this project yesterday and found its claims un-credible. It&#x27;s literally nothing like jev. That&#x27;s some context behind why, a day later, I find it annoying that this is somehow the top story on HN.

               <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49752902">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=49752902

               1. prometheus1992 · 1789831430 · focus · HN ↗

                  What is jev like? Did they release any research paper? I really think typesafe hired someone to boost their post because there was nothing &quot;Breakthrough&quot; about their product. At least this post has some touch with the reality that this functionality was available a year ago and was well known among ML people.

                  1. dcow · 1789834587 · focus · HN ↗

                     &gt; At least this post has some touch with the reality that this functionality was available a year ago and was well known among ML people.

                     When you market a product you make exciting claims relative to the audience you’re engaging with. When was the last time you saw a product marketing page reverently lost all the academic research and prior art that came together to make a product possible?

                     If Layla’s functionality was available in a SaaS form in a way that could be used by all the people who are excited about and using Jev, wouldn’t this research have won hearts and minds last year when it landed? I would have a lot more empathy for the author if they’d taken a product to market and nobody cared. But even then maybe the market wasn’t ready. There are still reasonable explanations why sometimes ideas take off. We’re on a venture capital forum this shouldn’t need an explanation.

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