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San Francisco Onion Futures Company

398 points · 179 comments · z-mach9

  1. cwal37 · · focus · HN ↗
    For those who don’t know:

    <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Onion_Futures_Act" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Onion_Futures_Act

    (which also banned box office receipt futures)

    A fun thing is to go on FRED and make a graph with prices from onions and, say, corn to see the differences in volatility.

    1. chirau · · focus · HN ↗
      I looked up onions, lettuce and tomatoes (because burgers), and the volatility actually looks very similar. Am I missing something or looking at the wrong things?

      Tomato: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130217" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130217 Onion: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130216" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130216 Lettuce: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130215" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;fred.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;WPU01130215

      1. gradus_ad · · focus · HN ↗
        The weather affects all crops
        1. brookst · · focus · HN ↗
          But isn’t the point that futures trading reduces volatility from things like weather?
          1. quickthrowman · · focus · HN ↗
            Futures are a mechanism to transfer risk from one party to another, more or less.
            1. brookst · · focus · HN ↗
              To reduce net risk for both parties, at the expense of also reducing chances of windfalls.

              To the farmer, futures mean no risk of having to sell when prices are low. To the buyer, futures mean no risk of having to buy when prices are high.

              The farmer also gives up the chance of selling when prices are high, and the buyer gives up the chance of buying when prices are low.

              The transfers go both ways, which is the magic.

              1. quickthrowman · · focus · HN ↗
                You’re leaving out the speculators who usually end up assuming the risk of both the producer and buyer.
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