Russia and USA had elaborate discussion on the precipice of war late in 2021, but also continued discussions since the very breakup of the soviet union and the voluntary dissolution of the Warsaw pact.
Negotiations didn't go anywhere unfortunately. And it's not Russia that takes the blame.
So talking works only when russia gets what it wants and if it doesn’t you can invade other country? It doesn’t sound like taking, more like extortion.
Negotiations don't work when stakes are this high.
I read an article in early 2000 that stipulated that EU and USA are borrowing so much money that eventually they will HAVE TO recoup through war, Conquering Russia.
Poor victim Russia. They were forced to start the war, really. Had they not embarked on their campaign of conquest and genocide, NATO would surely have invaded on the 25th of February and killed them all. Luckily, Russia showing their might by stalemating a war against a neighbor a third of their population has deterred evil NATO from directly invading, like what they were surely planning to do. It's evidenced by the absolutely nothing that NATO did towards Russia in the preceding decades, but if you stomp your foot enough about your neighbors freely joining an alliance explicitly designed to safeguard against Russian bloodthirstiness, then you can almost make yourself look like the victim. Almost. At least the Russians buy it, they've been printing the same shit in their media for over a decade now and they can't get enough of it.
Russia has been criminally naive in its dealings with the West. Had they been more firm and realistic they would have never allowed the wall to fall and Warsaw pact to disband.
They have no choice now but to reassert themselves.
I hope we all survive or if it comes to it let the death be quick.
Note that Warsaw pact fell not because russia allowed it to, but because russia was too weak to do anything about it. You just lost the cold war and became 2nd or 3rd grade country. You should wake up and let go of your imperialistic ambitions. You no longer matter that much, all you can do is try to destabilise other countries, but that's not enough to matter. An annoying fly is not superpower.
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But your attitude is exactly the problem - remember, people are all equal as per western democratic values.
And the way to solve the differences is by talking! And yes, I am ready to talk to russians about democracy as well as ukranians.
It looks like you are not, discarding them based on ethnic grounds.
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Why did you attack Ukraine instead of talking then?
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Negotiations didn't go anywhere unfortunately. And it's not Russia that takes the blame.
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West: ... No
Negotiations don't work when stakes are this high.
I read an article in early 2000 that stipulated that EU and USA are borrowing so much money that eventually they will HAVE TO recoup through war, Conquering Russia.
They kept borrowing...
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Poor victim Russia. They were forced to start the war, really. Had they not embarked on their campaign of conquest and genocide, NATO would surely have invaded on the 25th of February and killed them all. Luckily, Russia showing their might by stalemating a war against a neighbor a third of their population has deterred evil NATO from directly invading, like what they were surely planning to do. It's evidenced by the absolutely nothing that NATO did towards Russia in the preceding decades, but if you stomp your foot enough about your neighbors freely joining an alliance explicitly designed to safeguard against Russian bloodthirstiness, then you can almost make yourself look like the victim. Almost. At least the Russians buy it, they've been printing the same shit in their media for over a decade now and they can't get enough of it.
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They have no choice now but to reassert themselves.
I hope we all survive or if it comes to it let the death be quick.
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