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1. wps · 1789760710 · focus · HN ↗

   The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.

   1. godelski · 1789763541 · focus · HN ↗

      I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        > Google simply regrets android being open source.
      

      Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.

      But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand

      1. saghm · 1789767178 · focus · HN ↗

         > But they won't learn that on their own

         I think they're fully aware of this. They just don't care, because the goal of "get market share super high" has been reached, so now they have no need for it to continue being open.

         I don't disagree about what that means we should do; I just don't think we should assume they're being naive here. It's like writing a program to play chess; you should select your move assuming the opponent is smart and will make the optimal counterplay rather than assuming weakness, and then if they end up being less smart than that, you're still in a good place.

         1. echelon · 1789785769 · focus · HN ↗

            We haven't had antitrust enforcement for 25 years. It's high time we did.

            Google needs to be broken up.

            1. girvo · 1789814969 · focus · HN ↗

               Its still crazy to me that a judge effectively said "yes you're a monopoly, but it's too hard to break you up so we won't bother"... I'm being glib, but only slightly.

               1. izacus · 1789820109 · focus · HN ↗

                  Start with Apple which actually has a monopoly on mobile devices in USA and let's go from there then.

                  You do care about the market and aren't just angry because a corp doesn't listen to your orders, right? RIGHT?

                  1. bunderbunder · 1789822047 · focus · HN ↗

                     You would have a heck of a job convincing a court that 60% domestic market share in a two competitor market constitutes a monopoly.

                     1. mahboi · 1789834913 · focus · HN ↗

                        Then how is Google a monopoly?

                        1. bunderbunder · 1789844308 · focus · HN ↗

                           It isn’t, and nobody said it is. The ruling in question did not find that Google had a mobile OS monopoly. It found that they had monopolies in both the ad server and ad exchange markets, and was using them to reinforce each other in an anticompetitive way.

                           1. izacus · 1789902368 · focus · HN ↗

                              So why would they breakup Android away from Google (essentially killing the product as a whole due to lack of funding from Play) instead of separating the Ad business?

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