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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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  1. wps · · focus · HN ↗
    The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
    1. godelski · · focus · HN ↗
      I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        > Google simply regrets android being open source.
      Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.

      But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand

      1. cecexacjrgec · · focus · HN ↗
        > or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        With the way Firefox is heading, that might not be the best idea. Nowadays Mozilla seem more focused on riding the AI-hype wave than actually making an excellent browser people want to actually use.

        1. josephg · · focus · HN ↗
          Mozilla definitely wastes a bunch of money building features I don’t want. But underneath it all, Firefox is still an excellent web browser. You just occasionally have to disable “pocket” or “gadgets” or something.
          1. AstralSerenity · · focus · HN ↗
            It's also easy to understand why.

            Google is not the same company Mozilla partnered with decades ago. You can listen to retrospectives from Mozilla engineers, and you sense a desire to bite the corrupted hand that feeds.

            However, for Mozilla to be the bold, it needs funding diversity, and that isn't going to come from a browser alone.

            I have not agreed with everything Mozilla has thrown against the wall, but I sincerely hope something sticks. We need it to.

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