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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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  1. wps · · focus · HN ↗
    The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
    1. godelski · · focus · HN ↗
      I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        > Google simply regrets android being open source.
      Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.

      But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand

      1. StilesCrisis · · focus · HN ↗
        Hard forking doesn't solve the problem of closed source.

        If the goal of a hard fork is "the community will invest equal resources that Google does today" then you wildly underestimate how many engineers work on Chrome.

        1. Forgeties79 · · focus · HN ↗
          But the open source project wouldn’t need to invest as much as Google does. There are all kinds of features and things they are working on that the general public really does not care about.
          1. RunSet · · focus · HN ↗
            Chrome attained its user base not by merit but by paying third party Windows installers to bundle it.
            1. cosmic_cheese · · focus · HN ↗
              Yep. Google has been incredibly aggressive in promoting Chrome over the years, including practices similar to those Microsoft gets lampooned for doing the same with Edge.

              The thing is that most of this is invisible to people who already live within Google’s bubble. The promotion is visible mostly to those of us who don’t, and it gets irritating.

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