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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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  1. wps · · focus · HN ↗
    The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
    1. godelski · · focus · HN ↗
      I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        > Google simply regrets android being open source.
      Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.

      But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand

      1. cecexacjrgec · · focus · HN ↗
        > or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        With the way Firefox is heading, that might not be the best idea. Nowadays Mozilla seem more focused on riding the AI-hype wave than actually making an excellent browser people want to actually use.

        1. II2II · · focus · HN ↗
          It is sad to see Firefox riding various hype trains over the years, but I can't really blame them. Miss the wrong train, and you fall behind and may not be able to catch up. Miss the train to nowhere, and you are only wasting resources.

          As for the excellent browser that people want, that raises the question of what people want. There are likely as many answers as people.

          1. epihelix · · focus · HN ↗
            I don't understand this - what is wrong with Firefox these days? It does everything I need, and very few things I don't want.

            Very puzzled why there isn't more love for Firefox, even on HN.

            1. AstralSerenity · · focus · HN ↗
              There is a weird standard Mozilla is held to that doesn't exist even for other privacy-minded companies.

              There is also a layer of hypocrisy when people beg for Mozilla to generate greater revenue diversity, but then an immediate scoff whenever they try anything unrelated to Firefox -- where there is no money beyond search deals since Mozilla can't go down the Brave crypto route.

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