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Android 17 is the first since 3.x to add new APIs without releasing to the AOSP

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  1. wps · · focus · HN ↗
    The amount of roadblocks Google is putting up for GrapheneOS is just ridiculous. None of their decisions make any sense, from the delayed source patches upstream, to the embargos, attestation issues, etc. Google simply regrets android being open source.
    1. godelski · · focus · HN ↗
      I hope people remember this when advocating for chromium. Just because it is open source doesn't mean they don't control it. We need to start the long process of hard forking now or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        > Google simply regrets android being open source.
      Android wouldn't be what it is if it wasn't open source. With all the work from outside Google. The same is true chrome.

      But they won't learn that on their own. They are breaking the deals. So we move. We force their hand

      1. cecexacjrgec · · focus · HN ↗
        > or turn to alternatives like Firefox as a new foundation.

        With the way Firefox is heading, that might not be the best idea. Nowadays Mozilla seem more focused on riding the AI-hype wave than actually making an excellent browser people want to actually use.

        1. bryanlarsen · · focus · HN ↗
          Is Firefox or Mozilla perfect? Heck no. But we're not comparing Mozilla against pre-IBM Red Hat or Ben & Jerry's or whatever your concept of the ideal corporate citizen is. We're comparing Mozilla against Google. That's a very low bar that Mozilla clears with ease, especially if you're criteria includes shoving AI down your throat.
          1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
            I'm not sure Mozilla clears it. Zen or Librewolf or PaleMoon clears it.
            1. AstralSerenity · · focus · HN ↗
              Gosh, Pale Moon? That browser is a security nightmare IIRC.
          2. pjmlp · · focus · HN ↗
            Firefox is no longer part of most browser compatibility matrices, what ease?
            1. throwaway27448 · · focus · HN ↗
              > Firefox is no longer part of most browser compatibility matrices, what ease?

              What would be the point of a browser compatibility matrix then?

              1. pjmlp · · focus · HN ↗
                Compatibility between market relevant browsers.

                Which for the large majority of companies means Chrome and Safari nowadays.

          3. throwaway27448 · · focus · HN ↗
            Either way we're still stuck with it.
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