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1. vegnus · 1789753110 · focus · HN ↗

   I hope I am alive for the history books of tomorrow.

   "The Department of War (as it became known as), forewent it's traditional intelligence structure (the most expensive ever seen till that point), in order to have a private companies computer software generate viable targets for an upcoming operation. Believing that the software had real time updates on the current status and intelligence of the operation, as if it were some kind of oracle, the operation went as planned. Six schools, mistakenly identified as hostile targets (due to the heavy American bias in the softwares training data), were drone striked, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of innocents. Still, the people did nothing."

   1. _blk · 1789755327 · focus · HN ↗

      It's no secret that history is always written from a victor's perspective so I'm fairly confident that the history books of tomorrow are already being hallucinated today because AI is here to stay.

      1. forgetfreeman · 1789756168 · focus · HN ↗

         AI's power and water requirements are at odds with what is required to address climate change, so it really isn't a given that it's either inevitable or a permanent addition to society.

         1. trollbridge · 1789756533 · focus · HN ↗

            Water? What’s that got to do with anything?

            1. forgetfreeman · 1789763438 · focus · HN ↗

               Might want to look into it.

               1. hdgvhicv · 1789798622 · focus · HN ↗

                  I admire your optimism. The only thing I see stopping AI is widespread nuclear war, or if we’re lucky widespread destruction of the electric grid leading to a collapse in gas’s and oil supply for only a billion or two dead.

                  1. forgetfreeman · 1789850182 · focus · HN ↗

                     You're deeply mistaken if you think my view on AI is rooted in optimism.

                     1. hdgvhicv · 1789868662 · focus · HN ↗

                        You seem to be implying that mankind will decide to scale back AI in favour of tackling climate change, or that it won’t happen but AI will not destroy at least the economy which powers AI long before unrecoverable climate change will occur.

                        If AI kills us all, doesn’t matter about climate change - some species will adapt and thrive, some will die out

                        If AI destroys jobs, there will be no demand for energy so oil will no longer be burnt at the scale currently causing so much problem

                        Your view seems to be AI will continue in approximately the current state for the next 20 years? I don’t see how that happens. Best case scenario to me is a 2001/2008/2020 style crash coupled with an actual limit to LLM capacity so countries pesss exposed to capitalist systems will draw back from current AI for a few decades.

                        Or am I missing something? How do you foresee the next 20 years?

                        1. defrost · 1789869245 · focus · HN ↗

                           > If AI destroys jobs, there will be no demand for energy

                           Quite the leap there. Are you imagining billions dying off with no food and no further consumption while the AI overlords cruise about in their yachts between bunkers while zooming into Davos to cosplay as Davros and chuckle about the fate of the poors?

                           That aside, the earth land / sea layer is still lagging in its reaction the gigatonnes of CO2 already aloft .. which isn't going to magically disappear for some generations.

                           Even if AI destroys jobs there will still be fossil fuel consumption adding to the CO2 already there.

                           1. hdgvhicv · 1789871486 · focus · HN ↗

                              > Are you imagining billions dying off with food and no further consumption while the AI overlords cruise about in their yachts between bunkers while zooming into Davos to cosplay as Davros and chuckle about the fate of the poors?

                              Well that’s certainly one scenario. And that scenario would decimate co2 emissions. Sure things will continue to get worse, but as most of humanity will be dead they won’t be concerned.

                              So your view of billions not dying is somewhat optimistic for the future

                              1. defrost · 1789883501 · focus · HN ↗

                                 My view is more local than global - and we're all in for another few millennia, one way or another.

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