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Second Circuit allows government to search electronic devices at the border

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k310 · 1789745717 · focus · HN ↗
Everyone please read Surveillance Self Defense from EFF [0]
My advice, take a burner phone to the airport (and elsewhere?), and since devices are subject to warrantless search anywhere and everywhere, via exceptions to the fourth amendment [1] (the constitution seems designed to be bent or outright ignored), keep your data at home and encrypted. The "cloud" is a government data supermarket.
For example.
> While the Fourth Amendment is the foundation, federal and state laws can add layers of complexity. For example, the Patriot Act expanded the government's ability to conduct surveillance and searches, particularly in national security cases, sometimes with a lower burden of proof than traditional criminal investigations.
MUCH lower.
[0] <a href="https://ssd.eff.org/" rel="nofollow">https://ssd.eff.org/
[1] <a href="https://uslawexplained.com/warrantless_search" rel="nofollow">https://uslawexplained.com/warrantless_search
1. FuriouslyAdrift · 1789747051 · focus · HN ↗
  When I travel internationally, I do not take any electronics with me.
  If I need a cell phone, laptop, etc., then I will buy or rent something cheap at the destination.
  I got into the habit while traveling back and forth the mainland China as it was our corporate policy (and we never brought any electronics back, either).
  1. alyeska2 · 1789749313 · focus · HN ↗
    I tried that once.
    Then when I tried to log in to my Gmail account at my destination, it flagged it as a suspicious login attempt and wouldn't let me in without entering a code they texted to my American phone number, which meant I was locked out of my email for the duration of the trip.
    Plus travel day realities often require your phone and accounts - plane tickets, Uber/Lyft, hotel reservations or updates from Airbnb with check-in instructions, door codes, etc.
    It's a tremendous challenge and hassle for any regular person. We really just need to push back on the government overreach. It's tragic that half of the Trump voters proclaim to be "small government" and "Don't tread on me" but then tolerate things like this. There's certainly a bipartisan group of people opposed that are large enough to effect change if we work together.
    belorn · 1789751793 · focus · HN ↗
    I 100% agree that the best solution would be for the law to catch up and actually treat privacy as a human right. Until that time there are things which, while challenging and a hassle, do help.
    I would use the same sim-card in the burner phone. Any attack by the government that they can do with your real sim card can also be done through phone number spoofing.
    For email, use unique emails (things like booking+youremail@...) for reservations/bookings/tickets and have those forwarded to a second email account that you want to use during the trip. It is already good privacy hygiene to use unique emails for all types of registrations, and you will have more control when services eventually have a leak.
    leptons · 1789753067 · focus · HN ↗
    > (things like booking+youremail@...)
    This is so trivially easy to bypass. If you're a service selling email addresses, just strip off the booking+ part and you have the "real" email address.
    All my sign-up email addresses are via a catch-all email, so I can just give a service "thisservice@mydomain.com", or "thatservice@mydomain.com", so I there is no single "real" email address, and I get to track who exactly is selling my email address. So far I haven't had problems with anyone spamming "anything@mydomain.com".
    belorn · 1789756299 · focus · HN ↗
    They can bypass it, and as the user you can also use any other sign or character that you want. If you email is foo@ then you can use the letter x, as registrationxfoo@. A popular choice for a company email is first.lastname@, so you can use a . for it, or the - character. + is just what some program, like procmail and Sieve, will recognize without much trouble.
    Using a a catch-all email with your own domain works also perfectly fine. Doesn't work as well if there is multiple email users of that domain.
    alexgieg · 1789752143 · focus · HN ↗
    It isn't that they tolerate it, it simply doesn't affect them, so they don't care. Besides, it affects many they dislike, so that's always a bonus.
    Remember, when ultra-partisans, of most political ideologies, demand rights and freedoms, there's almost always an implied "for me and mine" in there. Exceptions to this are extraordinarily rare, even more so nowadays.
    leptons · 1789753385 · focus · HN ↗
    >It's tragic that half of the Trump voters proclaim to be "small government" and "Don't tread on me" but then tolerate things like this.
    Let's be real. Those people don't travel. They've never left the country, and most have likely never left their state, or even their hometown. I know a person like this - they refuse to fly on a plane to go anywhere because they are not allowed to bring their gun on the plane - they are a real "don't tread on me" 2nd amendment/NRA type. And they will never vote for anyone but a Republican no matter how bad things get.
    iamnothere · 1789756769 · focus · HN ↗
    You can bring a gun on the plane, you just need to have it in a locked case, and it can’t be a TSA lock. You also have to declare it and open the case for inspection when checking it.
    It may be hard to bring it overseas though.
    leptons · 1789807645 · focus · HN ↗
    That isn't their deal. They want to bring their loaded gun on the plane with no restrictions, or they simply will not fly. Reason does not work with a person like this.
    iamnothere · 1789834879 · focus · HN ↗
    Well that’s unwise of them. I just wanted to clarify since some people don’t understand that you can fly with firearms. A lot of people who go to events like Defcon will pack a firearm as this prevents TSA from inspecting the bag without you present—at least that’s how it’s supposed to go, unless there’s a secret room where they have skilled lockpickers on standby.
    leptons · 1789855042 · focus · HN ↗
    When have trump voters ever been wise?
    DaSHacka · 1789763262 · focus · HN ↗
    Have you ever actually spoken to a voter that matches the archetype you're describing?
    kashunstva · 1789789003 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes.
    leptons · 1789807722 · focus · HN ↗
    They are an in-law of mine, yes I've spoken to them. They want to bring their loaded gun on a plane with no restrictions - that is literally why they refuse to fly on an plane. Good for the rest of us, I guess.
    FuriouslyAdrift · 1789754370 · focus · HN ↗
    You're not going to have any access to non-local data or services while traveling unless you set up a foreign office first (that's what we did).
    Or go satellite which in someplaces is a major crime.

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