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If materialism is true, the United States is probably conscious

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Waterluvian · 1789741014 · focus · HN ↗
An onotlogical pivot I experienced in my late teens was recognizing that the taxonomy of life is not some immutable fact that we're uncovering. It's this Sisyphean task of providing structure to something that is everchanging. It's never complete, never correct, but it's often useful. In that way it's a lot like unicode!
When thinking about the evolution of the taxonomy of life, I think about how there's really no good reason to imagine a lifeform as being a singular, physically connected organism. We structure it that way because it's useful. We see trees and we imagine each one is a lifeform, but there are entire forests of just one tree. I don't think it's too bizarre to structure a model that demonstrates communities of lifeforms (whether ants, slime mold, or humans) as being effectively one conscious being.
1. bena · 1789741547 · focus · HN ↗
  I like to say "taxonomy is bullshit".
  Taxonomy is essentially building a metaphor or analogy. It's useful at times, but it often breaks down when you start looking at it too hard.
  Take everyone's favorite example: the tomato. We get into all sorts of discussions about what is a fruit, a vegetable, botanically or culinarily, etc, etc. Ultimately realizing that all plant matter is categorized as "vegetable" on the most abstract level. Thinking that one more layer of taxonomy will neatly box everything.
  But it won't.
  We call the iPhone a phone, but is it? I can call people from my laptop, my tablet, etc. I can watch videos and play music and write notes on my phone. Everything is everything, and nothing is what it is.
  Classification is one of the hardest things because it's entirely a fuzzy problem.
  1. card_zero · 1789742076 · focus · HN ↗
    It's a fucking berry.
    No, I quite agree, I don't know what the point of saying that is either.
    Oh, let's link to "lumpers and splitters"! This comes up over and over again in a million contexts. <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpers_and_splitters

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