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I don't like passkeys

853 points · 819 comments · ethanhawksley

  1. kenrick95 · · focus · HN ↗
    Passkeys have a marketing problem where no one is able to describe simply what it is without having to use technical jargon. There's also the problem where each OS tries too hard in pushing this to the face of end-user
    1. cfiggers · · focus · HN ↗
      Imagine a password, but it a) types itself for you and b) detects when it's being sent to an impostor site and blocks them from seeing itself, so it can't be phished.

      Tada, passkeys.

      1. flerchin · · focus · HN ↗
        But how do I type it into my new phone?
        1. vntok · · focus · HN ↗
          It depends.

          Are you part of the 99.99999% users of one of iOS+Apple or Androidlike+Google/Tencent or HarmonyOS+Huawei? If that's the case, you don't need to as the key is automagically saved by your OS' platform and synced with your new device.

          Otherwise, you're such an extreme outlier that you probably either know what you're doing or can find out by yourself, right?

          1. faust201 · · focus · HN ↗
            The point is people like this usually are arguing as they hate adopting new tech. And they hate FAANG. No way to convince them.
          2. dspillett · · focus · HN ↗
            > … users of one of … Google …? If that's the case, you don't need to as the key is automagically saved by your OS' platform and synced with your new device.

            This absolutely does not encourage confidence in me. We all know how easy it can be to get locked out of a Google account and have no way of getting back in unless you have enough clout to make a huge noise online so a human there pays attention instead of you being stuck in the 'ol support-bot-run-around loop. It doesn't happen often when you consider how many users there actually are out there, but the potential inconvenience is high enough that “fairly rare in the grand scheme of things” is still enough to be reason enough to be wary.

          3. Aerroon · · focus · HN ↗
            How does it get synced to my new device? Will Google charge me money because I'm using their cloud sync stuff? Are they going to charge me money like they do with "syncing pictures" (your phone starts telling you to do that, so you enable it and after a while it says you're out of space and need to pay $10 a month or 'you might lose your emails')?
          4. flerchin · · focus · HN ↗
            How can it be saved and synced without credentials? I'm in that overwhelming majority, but I don't grok how I can recover the account when my phone is lost/stolen/damaged. The answer appears to be, use another device that was already logged in?
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