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Microsoft exec called AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human history'

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  1. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
    It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up. Crimes this large are crimes against humanity. So many people whose life's work got appropriated without consideration, compensation or consent it is baffling.

    It is said that at the heart of every great fortune there is a great crime, so it should be no surprise that the most valuable companies on the planet will most likely result from this crime. And given that justice can be bought by those with the most money you can forget about anything coming of this.

    1. user43928 · · focus · HN ↗
      It is the largest democratization of knowledge that ever happened.

      The 'sell it back to us' argument falls short in my view.

      Free versions are abundant, and in some time useful models will ship preinstalled on all mobile phones.

      The comment here seems incredibly pessimistic and quite dramatical.

      1. Zsfe510asG · · focus · HN ↗
        There are no viable free versions with sufficient computing power. The do-it-yourself AI is dangled as a carrot in front of users to camouflage the lock-in and rent seeking by Big AI. Go prove something new like Navier Stokes (replicating N-S itself no longer counts due to scraping and plagiarism) on your Mac Pro!

        Paid influencers who perpetuate the open narrative are a whole new industry.

        Even if there were open models, it is still IP theft and would not be "democratization" but "forced unpaid nationalization".

        1. bhelkey · · focus · HN ↗
          There is no lock in. Anyone with sufficient budget can download the weights for GLM 5.3. On OpenRouter, I count 29 different providers for this model [1].

          In terms of purely local LLMs, one can run GLM 5.3 flash on a beefy workstation.

          [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openrouter.ai&#x2F;z-ai&#x2F;glm-5.3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;openrouter.ai&#x2F;z-ai&#x2F;glm-5.3

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