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Microsoft exec called AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human history'

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jacquesm · 1789726316 · focus · HN ↗
It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up. Crimes this large are crimes against humanity. So many people whose life's work got appropriated without consideration, compensation or consent it is baffling.
It is said that at the heart of every great fortune there is a great crime, so it should be no surprise that the most valuable companies on the planet will most likely result from this crime. And given that justice can be bought by those with the most money you can forget about anything coming of this.
1. CrimsonRain · 1789728454 · focus · HN ↗
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  1. Gud · 1789730964 · focus · HN ↗
    Theres a big difference.
    We have social conventions regulating this.
    Suddenly, mega corporations were allowed to digest(sometimes by illegally pirating “data”, and sometimes by achieving their training corpus and subsequently destroying the copies) and digest this information in a novel way, without any discussion or law making.
    You may argue it’s beneficial (it very well could be, I use ChatGPT and Claude all the time), but let’s not pretend it’s the same as learning from your history teacher…
    CrimsonRain · 1789732111 · focus · HN ↗
    Social conventions are regressive and are followed blindly by luddites. Real progress comes from doing what is right and breaking idiotic conventions.
    Pirating is fine.
    Subsequently destroying is bad but it is the result of screeching from people lacking foresight who support the idea of training LLM on book copies is wrong. So now corps found "legal" way to do it by destroying it. Again, idiotic social conventions.
    Without discussing? Law making? What are you, German? There's a reason EU is shit while USA is center of the progress of the world: laws follow innovation; not the other way around.
    Gud · 1789740663 · focus · HN ↗
    Have you been to "the EU"? It's a very diverse place and hardly "shit".
    CrimsonRain · 1789759724 · focus · HN ↗
    Yes, I live here.
    It is shit compared to what it could have been. It is diverse in language (which is a negative), food (yet mostly boring) yet common in one thing: regulate to suffocate. Kill (most) innovation. Live in borrowed times. Spend money that we don't have. Fuck future generations even more. Then wonder why far right is flapping their wings.

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