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Microsoft exec called AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human history'

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jacquesm · 1789726316 · focus · HN ↗
It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up. Crimes this large are crimes against humanity. So many people whose life's work got appropriated without consideration, compensation or consent it is baffling.
It is said that at the heart of every great fortune there is a great crime, so it should be no surprise that the most valuable companies on the planet will most likely result from this crime. And given that justice can be bought by those with the most money you can forget about anything coming of this.
1. CrimsonRain · 1789728454 · focus · HN ↗
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  1. Gud · 1789730964 · focus · HN ↗
    Theres a big difference.
    We have social conventions regulating this.
    Suddenly, mega corporations were allowed to digest(sometimes by illegally pirating “data”, and sometimes by achieving their training corpus and subsequently destroying the copies) and digest this information in a novel way, without any discussion or law making.
    You may argue it’s beneficial (it very well could be, I use ChatGPT and Claude all the time), but let’s not pretend it’s the same as learning from your history teacher…
    CrimsonRain · 1789732111 · focus · HN ↗
    Social conventions are regressive and are followed blindly by luddites. Real progress comes from doing what is right and breaking idiotic conventions.
    Pirating is fine.
    Subsequently destroying is bad but it is the result of screeching from people lacking foresight who support the idea of training LLM on book copies is wrong. So now corps found "legal" way to do it by destroying it. Again, idiotic social conventions.
    Without discussing? Law making? What are you, German? There's a reason EU is shit while USA is center of the progress of the world: laws follow innovation; not the other way around.
    HumblyTossed · 1789737383 · focus · HN ↗
    When society becomes a free-for-all of people with haves making it impossible for the people with have little to have anything at all, it begins to collapse. People have no incentive to treat anyone else with dignity and respect. They no longer take care of one another.
    See you on the way down.
    CrimsonRain · 1789759456 · focus · HN ↗
    Competition does not have to mean kill or be killed. We can still be decent, helpful, charitable while competing.
    You are just bullshitting without any understanding of "people who have little". I'm one of those who came from "have little". As a consequence, almost everyone I knew growing up, were also "have little/have nothing" people. Among 100s of people in my super extended family (tree), among 100 of my "have little" classmates from school, it was always clear from early age who will "succeed." The ones who had grit, dedication, focus, and a shine in their eyes.
    The ones who complained about wealth and society, are still in the have little group. The ones who didn't care, heads down worked hard, are living in luxury.
    Taking care of one another is mostly a privilege afforded in society with wealth that leads to high trust situation. I grew up in a place without it; so I know how valuable (and desirable) "taking care of one another" is.
    Current western generation (esp far left) has no idea how good they have it and are actively destroying wealth that will lead them to the chaos they have no idea about.
    I don't want that "way down" just like you. But unlike you, I don't believe in fairy tales. Reality is capitalism works, wealth creation works, we all end up in better places (not equal...but overall better). Much better than road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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