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1. jacquesm · 1789726316 · focus · HN ↗

   It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up. Crimes this large are crimes against humanity. So many people whose life's work got appropriated without consideration, compensation or consent it is baffling.

   It is said that at the heart of every great fortune there is a great crime, so it should be no surprise that the most valuable companies on the planet will most likely result from this crime. And given that justice can be bought by those with the most money you can forget about anything coming of this.

   1. godwinson__4-8 · 1789731119 · focus · HN ↗

      Our "culture" has long been the province of corporations. In prior epochs it was still the product of patronage and power.

      At least with LLMs we can glimpse an escape route to that which generations of humans have strived for - a world in which the labor required of each human to lead a flourishing life approaches zero.

      Instead of fixating on a remedy that seeks to criminalize AI, maybe focus on the relatively rather achievable goal of redistributing LLM gains. Would that not be the most desirable justice? What is your alternative, and would you foreclose the future in the name of a past that never really existed in the first place?

      1. jaybeavers · 1789731375 · focus · HN ↗

         Flourishing life? Where is your data leading to the conclusion that AI models are leading to the world populace leading a ‘flourishing life’? Are taxes on revenue of companies like OpenAI somehow being collected and turned into a UBI and I just didn’t hear about it?

         1. godwinson__4-8 · 1789731554 · focus · HN ↗

            I said a glimpse. I didn't say it's here now or it would be easy.

            It is however, achievable. Certainly more so than engaging in the fantasy that we can criminalize LLMs out of existence. And it is likely more desirable than such an effort anyway.

            1. jaybeavers · 1789731978 · focus · HN ↗

               Or, perhaps, the companies forming the for profit LLMs could be made to pay a license fee for the copyrighted data they lifted from behind the paywall and then used to form a for profit entity with.

               Nothing about banning technology. How about enforcing DMCA and then applying a penalty for the knowing theft rather than negotiating a license?

               1. bdangubic · 1789732346 · focus · HN ↗

                  This is solid but how many people you reckon would benefit if they paid every single penny for any copyrighted data? I am in my 50's with 30 years in the industry and I know maybe 2 people that might benefit from this... certainly not something general public would benefit from

                  1. jaybeavers · 1789733228 · focus · HN ↗

                     We’re likely looking at a new world where physical and mental work from humans holds much less value.

                     So if the world still generates value ( think AI inventing new drugs, robots planting and harvesting fields of corn ), who is able to make income? The people who have the capital to purchase and run the systems.

                     So our future world probably looks like a system where effort has little to no reward and capital (e.g. inheritance, passive income) has all the reward.

                     So, we can have a world where you are born rich or you live in abject poverty, or we can figure out something else.

                     1. bayindirh · 1789733714 · focus · HN ↗

                        Why more and more stories from "Pump Six and Other Stories" are becoming real step by step?

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