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Microsoft exec called AI scraping 'the largest theft of labor in human history'

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  1. jacquesm · · focus · HN ↗
    It's the robbery of all of our culture to sell it back to us at a mark-up. Crimes this large are crimes against humanity. So many people whose life's work got appropriated without consideration, compensation or consent it is baffling.

    It is said that at the heart of every great fortune there is a great crime, so it should be no surprise that the most valuable companies on the planet will most likely result from this crime. And given that justice can be bought by those with the most money you can forget about anything coming of this.

    1. user43928 · · focus · HN ↗
      It is the largest democratization of knowledge that ever happened.

      The 'sell it back to us' argument falls short in my view.

      Free versions are abundant, and in some time useful models will ship preinstalled on all mobile phones.

      The comment here seems incredibly pessimistic and quite dramatical.

      1. oblio · · focus · HN ↗
        > Free versions are abundant,

        Awesome, can I make my own competitive LLM, just like I can make my own open source software?

        > and in some time useful models will ship preinstalled on all mobile phones.

        Considering hardware prices, that "some time" is doing super heavy lifting. It could be 10-15+ years before that happens and the local LLM is actually useful. Most people don't see hardware prices declining from current prices until at least 2030, likely much longer.

        1. aeon_ai · · focus · HN ↗
          > Can I make my own competitive LLM?

          Yes, yes you can.

          See the number of startups that have finetuned or trained an OSS model to build their business on.

          “But you have to have compute!”

          Ok, and you’re writing OSS on a rock with no internet connection?

          The world has all kinds of barriers, but if anyone has a chance of competing on the LLM from it’s not going to be by getting rid of fair use.

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