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1. petesergeant · 1789684630 · focus · HN ↗

   I'm going to be fucking irritated if we all die because BlueSky posters wanted to take pot-shots at the EA crowd. The Boy Who Cried Wolf is _also_ a story about how a community lost a child because of cynicism, and the people proudly declaring that they "know" every safety concern is just a marketing ploy also concerns me.

   1. devindotcom · 1789685101 · focus · HN ↗

      I think it's more of a Chicken Little situation. Then the wolf ate us all up.
   2. blactuary · 1789685117 · focus · HN ↗

      I have great news then, that absolutely isn't going to happen. And the EA crowd deserves all of the potshots and more

      1. dmd · 1789686541 · focus · HN ↗

         Wow I’m sure glad that’s settled then.

         1. blactuary · 1789688208 · focus · HN ↗

            Happy to be of service
   3. wtinasky · 1789686339 · focus · HN ↗

      [dead]

   4. lbrito · 1789686357 · focus · HN ↗

      I'd rather have the world end than live in a world where EAs are listened to or respected.

      1. againstapples · 1789687118 · focus · HN ↗

         I agree they’re kinda weird but are they really that bad?

         1. jplusequalt · 1789687814 · focus · HN ↗

            Yes. Sam Bankman Fried was/is an EA/rationalist (on the short list of biggest fraudsters in American history). So are the Zizian's (a murder cult). etc. etc.

            1. Viliam1234 · 1789688024 · focus · HN ↗

               SBF maybe, but Ziz declared rationalists to be their main enemy

               1. jplusequalt · 1789688662 · focus · HN ↗

                  And? The Bolsheviks and the Mensheviks were both socialist factions who were coming from the same intellectual milieu, and they killed each other.

                  1. Viliam1234 · 1789693982 · focus · HN ↗

                     They also killed lots of unrelated people. Let's not take the argument far enough to claim that everyone who was ever killed by socialists must have been a socialist, too.

                     Perhaps the author of the article is a rationalist, too. He certainly knows too much about them, cares too much, and the fact that he criticizes them only shows that there is some infighting among them.

                     1. jplusequalt · 1789739637 · focus · HN ↗

                        >Let's not take the argument far enough to claim that everyone who was ever killed by socialists must have been a socialist, too.

                        Well it's a good thing I only mentioned the two groups who were explicitly socialists!

               2. shimman · 1789688789 · focus · HN ↗

                  Yeah, similar to like how southern baptists declared evangelicals to be their enemy too for not being fanatical enough.

                  Death cults are weird like that.

            2. againstapples · 1789692109 · focus · HN ↗

               I don’t see why I would judge a whole group based on isolated examples?
         2. Viliam1234 · 1789687895 · focus · HN ↗

            is dying really so bad compared to admitting that you were wrong and some weirdo was right?

            for many people the answer seems to be: not really.

         3. lbrito · 1789688265 · focus · HN ↗

            Yes.

            Their core belief system is morally abhorrent.

            1. againstapples · 1789692313 · focus · HN ↗

               What about their beliefs is morally abhorrent?
      2. 4bpp · 1789688185 · focus · HN ↗

         If you are serious about this preference, would you also be okay with a compromise solution where only you (and anyone else who feels the same) die, rather than taking everyone else with you?
   5. int_19h · 1789691370 · focus · HN ↗

      If we all die because of AI, it will be because of the uses that people like Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and Palmer Luckey put it to, not because of a robot uprising.

      1. petesergeant · 1789719106 · focus · HN ↗

         Why not both? I honestly can’t fathom why people think — in an ultra-networked world — why LLMs can’t cause physical consequences.

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