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C++26: Trivial infinite loops are no longer undefined behaviour

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  1. wahern · · focus · HN ↗
    > When both conditions are met, the loop body is replaced with a call to std::this_thread::yield(). This gives execution of the loop the forward-progress semantics it previously lacked.

    That's the epitome of the hidden code downside that Linus and many others dislike about C++. For constructors and destructors it's somewhat unavoidable and not so random, though Rust does better at limiting the blast radius of non-local code, at least in the drop case.

    If they didn't want to adopt the C11 rule, the C++ committee should've explored a rule that required the compiler to emit a diagnostic or error for trivial loops (whether as defined by C11 or otherwise), requiring the programmer to explicitly insert ::yield or similar. No hidden code, and less opportunity for the compiler to do surprising things.

    The C committee has been rigorously enumerating UB cases in the standard and addressing each case in turn, often by requiring a diagnostic, error, or by turning it into implemention defined behavior. But inserting code like that would be unthinkable.

    1. pbalau · · focus · HN ↗
      Is it hidden if it's explained in the standard?

      I think Linus's complain was before there was a c++ standard. An updated version of the complaint would be "this shit is doing too much".

      1. aw1621107 · · focus · HN ↗
        > Is it hidden if it's explained in the standard?

        In the context of that particular complaint, yes. From what I understand the gist of it is basically that you should be able to tell what is going on by looking at the code locally (i.e., the code is "explicit").

        > I think Linus's complain was before there was a c++ standard.

        These emails [0]? IIRC those are the most well-known ones and they are from the mid-2000s

        [0]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harmful.cat-v.org&#x2F;software&#x2F;c++&#x2F;linus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;harmful.cat-v.org&#x2F;software&#x2F;c++&#x2F;linus

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