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1. pcestrada · 1789660165 · focus · HN ↗

   OpenAI and Anthropic should be nationalized. I find it difficult to trust Sam Altman or Dario Amodei.

   1. indymike · 1789661081 · focus · HN ↗

      I find it even harder to trust elected leaders from any party. At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear, whereas political leaders values changes as do the polls their livelihood depends on changes.

      1. swatcoder · 1789661903 · focus · HN ↗

         > At least Sam and Dario are aligned with a value set that is understood and clear

         What value set do you perceive that to be, and why would you take your perception of it to be any more sound than it would be with a politician?

         It's not like someone can operate companies of that scale, especially startups, through earnestness and openness. Like national politics, their job is fundamentally about perception management and power brokering across dynamic windows of opportunity. Nothing they say or do can be taken at face value, and you can't reduce their incentives to either company or personal profit in any particular form over any particular time scale.

         1. jonas21 · 1789662504 · focus · HN ↗

            I feel like many of Anthropic's issues are due to Dario being too earnest and open. It seems both refreshing (that a CEO has thought deeply about and is willing to talk publicly about the dangers of their product) and depressing (that so many people cynically think this is some sort of marketing ploy).

            1. nullbio · 1789698140 · focus · HN ↗

               It's exactly the opposite. Anthropic has earned their terrible reputation through years of lying, deceit, misdirection, gaslighting, unethical marketing strategies, etc.

               I remember it vividly, when Anthropic first came on the scene, people (myself included) were incredibly optimistic about them and their leadership. Everyone hated SamA and OpenAI because they felt they couldn't be trusted.

               Then slowly but surely, they showed their true colours. Now their reputation is in shambles due to their own behavior, and people are rooting for OAI to beat them. OAI's reputation gains have purely been a result of NOT following in the footsteps of Anthropic.

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