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I Don't Like LLMs

248 points · 277 comments · TangerineDream

  1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
    LLMs have helped me a ton and have allowed me to replace all my apps that I was paying for. They're internal, so they don't have to be perfect, but man they've saved me money. That's just my experience.
    1. ozlikethewizard · · focus · HN ↗
      What were you paying for?
      1. ilikehurdles · · focus · HN ↗
        Turbotax.
        1. edoceo · · focus · HN ↗
          I've had these AI things also help out with my US taxes. Has held up to review as well.
        2. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
          yes! I've had it even help me with looking and buying homes. I ended up catching things in a contract that would have screwed me over. there's so many use cases outside of software
        3. qarl · · focus · HN ↗
          Yep. I have crazy tax. I'm glad I don't have to do it myself.

          Also - lowkey legal documents.

      2. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
        Youtube music, GitKraken, 1password, Parallels -- i've canceled subscriptions to all of these because either I've replaced them or have had help from LLMs enough to find different options that are either free or cheaper.
        1. bthrn · · focus · HN ↗
          For use cases like this, how is the LLM different from a Google search?
          1. yifanl · · focus · HN ↗
            It isn't, but the history of profitable software has been repackaging the same data in different UIs.
          2. kenjackson · · focus · HN ↗
            How does 1password get replaced with a Google search? I assume he built his own 1password system...
            1. ChoosesBarbecue · · focus · HN ↗

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            2. Nzen · · focus · HN ↗
              I assume this person heard about keepass [0] and accesses it from multiple devices with a dropbox or icloud style service. Or doesn't access it from multiple devices. I just synchronize my password database on a slow cadence or as needed.

              [0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keepass.info&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keepass.info&#x2F;

            3. sashank_1509 · · focus · HN ↗
              Bitwarden is free and in my experience does a better job than 1 password. Tho he could have vibecoded his own 1-password, I would be a bit careful doing that though
              1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
                yeah I agree, bitwarden is really good, but since I&#x27;m the only one who uses it I didn&#x27;t need all the features of it and just vibecoded my own, though I made sure it was secure (I&#x27;m a software engineer so knew what to secure). definitely wouldn&#x27;t recommend anyone do that though if they don&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re doing
          3. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
            well, I&#x27;m assuming you mean for this part I had said:

            &gt; had help from LLMs enough to find different options that are either free or cheaper.

            as one example, I would have to do multiple google searches to build a secure network around a replacement tool I built for 1password, but the LLM was able to walk me through everything (even though I&#x27;d never had dedicated training around security). google searches are great for 1-off questions, but have the LLM walk you through something or have it do it for you.

            btw, I&#x27;m using claude code in all this

            1. techjamie · · focus · HN ↗
              &gt; I would have to do multiple google searches to build a secure network around a replacement tool I built for 1password

              I hope that isn&#x27;t implying you&#x27;re hosting a vibecoded password manager. Because that would be a horrible idea. If you selfhost a password manager, it&#x27;s much better to use something that is reputable and tested against like Vaultwarden.

              Even if you have it say, in a Tailnet that only your machines can get into, that just means someone has to compromise one of your machines.

              1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗

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        3. sashank_1509 · · focus · HN ↗
          How’d you replace YouTube Music? Do you mean you listen to adds but on your own vibe coded app or do you bypass the ads somehow? Curious
          1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
            yeah it&#x27;s not the best replacement, but basically what I did is setup a &quot;YTBox&quot; app that takes a youtube link, downloads it as mp3 or mp4, and then auto syncs it to my icloud drive, and then I just listen from my iPhone either using the music app or VLC&#x2F;Files.

            so yes I do have to make a curated list of what I want, but it saves me $17&#x2F;mo. if you&#x27;re okay with downloading, then it&#x27;s worth it.

            1. bigstrat2003 · · focus · HN ↗
              You don&#x27;t need to vibe code to set up a piracy setup. LLMs aren&#x27;t really adding any new capabilities there.
              1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
                They do help you move faster in my experience
                1. osiejfiejf · · focus · HN ↗
                  Ah the wonders of the placebo effect.
                  1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
                    placebo effect? It took me 30 minutes to setup instead of a day, that&#x27;s not a placebo effect, my friend
                    1. ozlikethewizard · · focus · HN ↗
                      Could have installed libretorrent in about 12 seconds network dependent. Feels kinda like classic LLM obsession. You&#x27;ve used it to &quot;save you time&quot; in a problem that didnt need solving. Big part of engineering used to always be knowing what you didn&#x27;t need to build something for as well
                      1. saadn92 · · focus · HN ↗
                        Big part of engineering is to know what tool to use in what situation and in this case, this tool fit perfectly for my needs. Your needs may be different, so that tool will work for you. There&#x27;s no obsession here. All I&#x27;ve stated is that LLMs have saved me time and money and that&#x27;s something I can actually measure. You&#x27;re free to believe that or not, but it&#x27;s my experience.
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