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1. philippemnoel · 1789655073 · focus · HN ↗

   As a Canadian, I find this unbelievably good news. Canada, the EU, and other middle powers need to unite. Stronger together, while preserving what makes each country unique.

   1. ibic · 1789655566 · focus · HN ↗

      As a non-Canadian, I find this a very good news also. You said it well. What I didn't expect was that things could move at this lightning pace. Well done, EU & Canada!

      1. EGreg · 1789656138 · focus · HN ↗

         Trump is playing 5D chess! The Iran war, the feuds, all of it... He wanted the world to unite like this, and for green energy to displace fossil fuels quicker! One day he, not AOC or Bernie, will go down in history as the President who did more for green energy than any other.

         1. sandworm101 · 1789656225 · focus · HN ↗

            The orange path.

            1. nolok · 1789657141 · focus · HN ↗

               (given your nickname, this was your moment and you caught it)

               1. sandworm101 · 1789662056 · focus · HN ↗

                  Plans within plans.
         2. abirch · 1789662418 · focus · HN ↗

            Trump has normalized the government taking equity stakes in corporations. Something that AOC or Bernie may find useful
      2. danmaz74 · 1789656192 · focus · HN ↗

         As someone who is very much in favor of this, let's remember that for now we're only at the announcements level. Any binding changes in the EU require a long process - if anything else, because there are 27 member states, each of which have veto power. But I'm hopeful that facts will follow these announcements.

         1. microtonal · 1789656680 · focus · HN ↗

            That's true, however, under all the recent pressures, everything is much more fluid. Especially because 'associate member' does not exist yet as a status, I think they could do things much more incrementally compared to full memberships.
      3. nolok · 1789657362 · focus · HN ↗

         It's a bit funny saying all the naysaying comments, "this is just a name", "you have an ocean between each other", ...

         Yeah, it's only a name, that name represent a reciprocal want to work closer together and do something. What, how, we will figure it out, the fact that people on both side of the exchange are all for it says so.

         We're not idiots we know there will be hurdle, on one side you have the federal country that managed to convince the french Quebec to stay and on the other you have 27 countries who managed to convince each other to work together, we will figure it out.

         1. tharmas · 1789658857 · focus · HN ↗

            I have a feeling that this "made up name/category" will be a pretext for fast-tracking whatever they want to do with Canada-EU relations without the other members voting on it since the last one they tried to do is 10 years on and still pending.

            1. nolok · 1789659251 · focus · HN ↗

               Who are "the other members" in your message? Because if you mean all the 27 of course their government has to give approval, just like they did for the last one too

               1. tharmas · 1789662279 · focus · HN ↗

                  But that's what i mean by this new category, its so they (EU brass) can circumvent the approval process. That's what I suspect.

                  1. nolok · 1789669366 · focus · HN ↗

                     But they can't? That's not how this works? Who do you think can do anything in name of the EU, beside either the parliament, or a body made of the named representative of each government?

                     There is no "they" in the EU that can do anything that isn't also constituted either equally or proportionally by each and every member.

            2. cayleyh · 1789663907 · focus · HN ↗

               Specifically I think this will be true around defence procurement: Canada was just added as the first non-EU state in the EU SAFE defence agreements, and just did a major booth at the International Defence Industry Exhibition EU defence trade show. They decided to buy new subs from Germany instead of Korea, and have slow-played the new fighter acquisitions and will potentially replace at least some F35 orders with Saab Gripens. And they have a new deal to start manufacturing Ukrainian designed military drones in Canada (partnership with Ukraine announced last week iirc?).

               If getting this status helps simplify process and costs of EU<->Canada military procurement, then it will be a clear win for both sides given the current desire to reduce dependence on US defence providers.

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