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Iran school bombing: grounds to believe US was behind atrocity, UN finds

354 points · 307 comments · hebelehubele

Wildgoose · 1789657415 · focus · HN ↗
Seeing as it was a "double tap" it was clearly a deliberate target. Bomb the school, wait until officers from the nearby base with kids at the school arrive to try and rescue their daughters and hit it again. Clearly a war crime, possibly using Israeli targeting information, which clouds which State is ultimately responsible.
1. hodder · 1789659109 · focus · HN ↗
  Highly unlikely an entire chain of military personnel knew it was a school and was like, "yeah get em good, and lets see when they come scrambling in for their kids corpses".
  Do you hear yourself? Have you ever in your life met someone this sadistic? It was definitely a mistake. One might argue criminal negligence, but there is no way everyone in the loop here is just pure evil. That just isn't how people think in North America. It is unfathomable that a team of US military (people with families of their own no doubt), would all nod along and agree with your contention.
  1. MSFT_Edging · 1789659742 · focus · HN ↗
    > It is unfathomable that a team of US military (people with families of their own no doubt), would all nod along and agree with your contention.
    The Vietnam and Korean wars would like to have a word.
    Your belief that the US military is guided by any kind of moral or ethical line is naïve at best.
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_massacre" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Gun_Ri_massacre
    <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre
    <a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726" rel="nofollow">https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-23427726
    WarmWash · 1789660089 · focus · HN ↗
    If the US military was unethical, it wouldn't have lost in Afghanistan.
    The problem is fighting unethical enemies, because they do shit like use ambulances as troop transport, have soldiers dress the same as civilians, and given any kid old enough to shoot a rifle.
    To your post more specifically, is there is no one holding these unethical enemies responsible. There are no history books, or journalists, or wikipedia articles about the insane shit they do.
    The Taliban has a base where they truck in young boys to "service" the officers and it's lost to time. The US has a single ethics catastrophe, and they are held up for it for decades...
    surgical_fire · 1789660478 · focus · HN ↗
    > If the US military was unethical, it wouldn't have lost in Afghanistan
    You can be unethical and still profoundly incompetent.
    WarmWash · 1789660651 · focus · HN ↗
    Smoking out villages and shooting everything that moves with cutting edge weaponry doesn't require much competence.
    text0404 · 1789661081 · focus · HN ↗
    Which is why the US famously won the Vietnam war...
    WarmWash · 1789661873 · focus · HN ↗
    If that was the case the My Lai Massacre would be meaningless, because the entire war would have been that.
    nulld3v · 1789675696 · focus · HN ↗
    Genocide is usually not an efficient way to wage war. Even ancient armies usually did not slaughter entire towns, not because of ethics, but because fighting sucks and if you slaughter everybody you come across, nobody is going to surrender and every person you come across will fight you to the death.
    I say usually, because there are some exceptions and nukes are one of them, they make genocide a viable war strategy. But even nuking Vietnam would not have worked, cause you will simply get nuked back.
    WarmWash · 1789692775 · focus · HN ↗
    Its more that you make it clear that you will kill anyone who doesn't surrender. Then most people end up surrendering.
    In modern militaries though, the expectation is that you will just leave civilians alone.
    surgical_fire · 1789730013 · focus · HN ↗
    There are some terrorist states that indiscriminately kill civilians though, such as Israel and the USA.
    The worst thing people would do is surrendering in those cases.
    twirldat · 1789739892 · focus · HN ↗
    As opposed to who? Iran fired missiles at Israeli (and Arab) civilian areas, so did Hezbollah and Hamas when they used to have that capability.
    surgical_fire · 1789751804 · focus · HN ↗
    That's precisely what I expected. That people would pop up defending US atrocities by equating them with the likes of Hamas and Hezbollah.
    And you know what? You're right. Those are all terrorist organizations.
    hndweller1337 · 1789797443 · focus · HN ↗
    >account created 1 hour ago
    Nice. <a href="https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-information" rel="nofollow">https://jackpoulson.substack.com/p/inside-the-pro-israel-inf...

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