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1. gcanyon · 1789646338 · focus · HN ↗

   > failed to adequately verify the information before launching the strike

   I'm so proud to be an American today :-(

   1. megous · 1789646632 · focus · HN ↗

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   2. MomsAVoxell · 1789646697 · focus · HN ↗

      Then do something about it - inform yourself about the other days.

      The USA has been dropping bombs on innocent people on average for the past 25 years every 15 minutes.

      The only force capable of reining in the US’ out of control military industrial complex, is the American people themselves. Until they do, the atrocities continue unabated.

      1. zzgo · 1789647011 · focus · HN ↗

         I can't even get the government to take masked federal agents off my streets, how the hell am I going to rein (not reign) in the military industrial complex?

         1. runmanny · 1789647169 · focus · HN ↗

            I can’t stop them from tracking our posts to use against us under NPSM7 at some point in the future.

            1. MomsAVoxell · 1789647247 · focus · HN ↗

               Don’t use political violence, intimidation, and domestic terror.

               Use your democracy while you still can.

               1. hcfman · 1789648239 · focus · HN ↗

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               2. skeledrew · 1789650510 · focus · HN ↗

                  What democracy?

                  1. rbanffy · 1789652859 · focus · HN ↗

                     You can still vote this government out and organize your community to help with that. Remember the three boxes - soap, ballot, and ammo. You still haven't exhausted box #1 and should use box #2 really well this year.

                     Tyrants feed on the belief they can't be removed.

                     1. chinathrow · 1789658451 · focus · HN ↗

                        Why are you so convinved that the current administration leaves, even after defeat?

                        1. rbanffy · 1789720465 · focus · HN ↗

                           Then, and only then, you might consider the third box.
               3. cindyllm · 1789667004 · focus · HN ↗

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         2. MomsAVoxell · 1789647176 · focus · HN ↗

            Indeed, it may be too late for you to do anything effective about it.

            What the war criminals that have run your country for decades have done to other nations, they are now going to do to yours.

            Protest, inform yourself, demand that your peers are informed, and do not for one instance just let apathy rule. Get out there on the streets every single time, write your representatives, use whatever tepid remains of your ‘democracy’ you have left. Divest yourself of any investments in the military industrial complex - and be damned sure you don’t support it, in any way whatsoever.

            Demand justice for your own war criminals at a higher pitch and tempo than the call to eradicate cultures deemed inferior by those very war criminals.

            What they do to other nations they will do to yours. Never forget this.

         3. ngcazz · 1789647186 · focus · HN ↗

            It's not gonna be low-stakes protests like No Kings, I'll tell you that.
         4. pezezin · 1789650448 · focus · HN ↗

            Don't you guys have your famous 2nd amendment to protect your democracy from tyrants?

            1. bix6 · 1789652380 · focus · HN ↗

               No that’s just for school shootings and LARPers.
            2. t2r3121 · 1789652913 · focus · HN ↗

               Only local tyranny, like the county government.

               1. krapp · 1789655468 · focus · HN ↗

                  Americans were literally more up in arms over social distancing and masks than any thing Trump has ever done.

                  1. dgellow · 1789657860 · focus · HN ↗

                     I was in NYC during a no king protest, it was the lamest public demonstration I ever experienced given how bad the circumstances are. On a weekend, everything was done after ~2-3h, then back to work as usual on Monday. If you miss that short period of time you wouldn’t even notice something happened.

                     If there is one thing you can all learn from Europe is how to do a protest that cannot be ignored by your administration

                     1. gcanyon · 1789694117 · focus · HN ↗

                        Trump wants the violence. There's a difference between protesting a government that will follow the rules even if the people don't, and protesting a government that won't follow the rules even if the people do.
                  2. techgnosis · 1789669032 · focus · HN ↗

                     This is correct. Nothing will change.
            3. voakbasda · 1789655311 · focus · HN ↗

               That’s all we have left. Speeches, voting, and juries will not save us from a system this corrupt. The ongoing civil war will turn bloody eventually.
            4. zzgo · 1789683756 · focus · HN ↗

               Given all the gun owners who yearn for authoritarians, and the advocates for a CEO-type leader whom only a landed and monied few should be allowed to vote for, I think the guns will actually be brought to bear on those of us who wish to protect what remains of our democracy.
         5. _AzMoo · 1789652340 · focus · HN ↗

            Get involved with your local dems at a grassroots level, and help break the incumbents that are hell-bent on maintaining the status quo. You need fresh faces in congress that don't believe it's all just a game.

            1. chrocni380 · 1789652889 · focus · HN ↗

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         6. mandeepj · 1789652569 · focus · HN ↗

            > how the hell am I going to rein (not reign) in the military industrial complex?

            Make sure to vote in this November! Encourage your friends and family to do so as well. Start a YouTube channel; get yourself heard. Reach out to DNC, obviously red party is not an option, tell them you want to help with outreach.

            1. rbanffy · 1789652705 · focus · HN ↗

               > Make sure to vote in this November!

               Make sure to vote blue in this November!

         7. tbugrara · 1789700622 · focus · HN ↗

            You individually are powerless. It's the American people, not you, that can shut down the industrial military complex. That means talking to people - this is genuinely the only thing I can think of to do.
      2. ungreased0675 · 1789647887 · focus · HN ↗

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         1. MomsAVoxell · 1789649490 · focus · HN ↗

            Yes, really.
         2. ImJamal · 1789650657 · focus · HN ↗

            Well the girls in the school that the US bombed were innocent.
      3. nicechianti · 1789657917 · focus · HN ↗

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      4. gcanyon · 1789693979 · focus · HN ↗

         1. Yeah, just because I'm not proud today doesn't mean I've been a booster of every other thing the U.S. has done for the past quarter century. 2. That said, let's not pretend that now is no different than any other point in our history. 3. And finally, I think I am reasonably well informed, since my wife is the director of a non-profit working on this specific issue.
   3. sph · 1789646790 · focus · HN ↗

      Better late than never to look past the propaganda, I guess.
   4. toasty228 · 1789646960 · focus · HN ↗

      It's been like that every single time you guys went to the middle east, not just "today" lmao

      Some of it is publicly available on videos for 15+ years, nobody cares: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=5rXPrfnU3G0

      1. mahboi · 1789672412 · focus · HN ↗

         They initially select the target at 3:36. Radio says the group has weapons, so they&#x27;re identified as insurgents and targeted. I can&#x27;t exactly tell, but it looks like they have AKs and an RPG like the radio says.

         I think the war crime is at 9:31. They kill unarmed people picking up bodies. Maybe they figure they&#x27;re insurgents too, but that seems like a wild assumption, also the drone operator sounds trigger-happy. Is there any good reason for this?

         People do care, including Americans. These Mid East wars aren&#x27;t popular partially because it&#x27;s known or even assumed that US soldiers are committing war crimes there.

         1. echoangle · 1789689896 · focus · HN ↗

            &gt; also the drone operator sounds trigger-happy

            That’s a manned AH-64 Apache attack helicopter with a pilot and gunner.

   5. zimzam · 1789652557 · focus · HN ↗

      For some context the school shared walls with and used to be part of an active military base. [1]

      That being said bombing children is always a tragedy and the US should be doing everything it can to learn from this and not make these kinds of mistakes.

      1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2026_Minab_school_attack" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2026_Minab_school_attack

      1. deadbunny · 1789657955 · focus · HN ↗

         Are these the same lessons they should have learned from bombing Afghan weddings or Iraqi funerals?

         1. SV_BubbleTime · 1789658471 · focus · HN ↗

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            1. phoghed · 1789658882 · focus · HN ↗

               Yes? Everyone knows you’re not supposed to ask questions you don’t already know the answer to when trying to make a point.

               Obama was absolutely roasted for his drone strikes by all but the lamest and most feckless of centrists. Too bad that Trump far surpassed his records and took the top leaderboard spot.

               1. SV_BubbleTime · 1789661097 · focus · HN ↗

                  Where is that leaderboard?

                  1. phoghed · 1789666749 · focus · HN ↗

                     Got taken down because they stopped reporting

                     <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-47480207" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-47480207

            2. locknitpicker · 1789660026 · focus · HN ↗

               &gt; Were you complaining when Obama killed US citizens and kids with drone strikes?

               Your attempt to try to spin the morality of bombing innocent civilians as a mere domestic partisan issue is disconcerting. I mean, this site has a diverse international readership, and a UN report on potential war crimes is hardly a domestic issue.

            3. deadbunny · 1789668842 · focus · HN ↗

               Yes.
      2. mahboi · 1789667219 · focus · HN ↗

         <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2026_Minab_school_attack#&#x2F;map&#x2F;1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;2026_Minab_school_attack#&#x2F;map&#x2F;... red is navy base, green is school
   6. rbanffy · 1789652665 · focus · HN ↗

      I am very sorry this is happening to your country. I hope you manage to fix it.
   7. loudmax · 1789653746 · focus · HN ↗

      You should feel angry, and you should be channeling that anger into constructive action.

      For now, this means voting Democrat and supporting Democrats for office.

      Donald Trump has turned the Republican party into a cult of personality to support a kleptocracy. The GOP is no longer the party of conservative values. The rule of law, respect for traditional mores or institutions, and personal integrity have all been defenestrated by the Trump administration.

      Are the Democrats perfect? Of course not. But under the current system, the United States has a zero-sum two party system, and this means voting for one of the two parties. Making room for third parties means adjusting the rules (eg. ranked choice voting, or other). These ideas are worth pursuing. As long as we&#x27;re stuck in a two party system, this means voting for the lesser of two evils.

      Nihilists will scoff at this and point to everything wrong that happened under Obama or Biden. They&#x27;ll says Democrats are no better than Republicans. They&#x27;re wrong. At best, they&#x27;re misguided. At worst, they&#x27;re actually trying to bring an end to democratic government (that&#x27;s a lower-case &quot;d&quot; for democracy).

      The Democrats are imperfect. The Republican party under the current leadership are far, far worse. It&#x27;s not even close.

      Get out and vote.

   8. hirvi74 · 1789655364 · focus · HN ↗

      &quot;Hey Claude, where should I bomb Iran? Make no mistakes.&quot;

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