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1. georgemcbay · 1789884732 · focus · HN ↗

   Blows my mind that so many people just have this hardened internalized idea that we're somehow significantly different than any other animal.

   Sure, we've got them beat on language and planning, but we're currently in the process of being passed up on both those fronts by multi-dimensional arrays of floating point numbers sitting inside of sand. So, like, how special is that then, really?

   1. alpineman · 1789894920 · focus · HN ↗

      Cows also grieve their young yet we keep them permanently (forcibly) impregnated and take their young away to be slaughtered every few months just so we can drink their breast milk in our coffee. I can’t take seriously people who get emotional over stories like this then eat dairy products.

      1. atoozy · 1789895410 · focus · HN ↗

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      2. WhyIsItAlwaysHN · 1789896436 · focus · HN ↗

         Try considering this with some nuance. Many people likely do not know that cows grieve or their bubble of habits and upbringing prevents this fact from reaching them. A story that brings empathy towards any animal is a step towards less suffering for all animals.

         1. DangitBobby · 1789915298 · focus · HN ↗

            Someone is aware this is necessary because they are carrying it out.
      3. annex-winged-cr · 1789902395 · focus · HN ↗

         I once heard someone claim that we've somehow completely "bred away" any maternal instincts from dairy cows. So it's perfectly okay to forcibly separate them from their calves.

         It's crazy to hear the various bizzare ways people use to try to justify and cope with their habits.

         1. Aromasin · 1789910210 · focus · HN ↗

            Man, I remember carrying a veal calf in a wheelbarrow away from it's grieving mother (who ended up distressed for days) when I was 16 doing some Summer farm work. It messed me up for weeks, and I still somehow went back to drinking dairy. Thankfully I've sworn off all animal products now, but the knowing cruelty of it I suppressed for a long time.
         2. ajuc · 1789923138 · focus · HN ↗

            I've heard several people say fish don't feel pain. Makes hobby fishing seem less cruel I guess.
      4. tialaramex · 1789906049 · focus · HN ↗

         Ordinarily in Minecraft if you click a cow with a bucket it fills with milk, a simplistic model of how this works that reflects probably the level of thought most people have about where cow milk comes from.

         One of the mods (Animalia maybe?) obliges you to do this properly. Find a male and a female, enclose them and make sure they're well fed so that they'll breed, wait a while for the female to give birth, steal the calf, and then you can collect her milk. I would bet far more players in games with that mod go vegan because it was a lot of hassle to make these arrangements compared to making soy milk.

      5. winter_blue · 1789915724 · focus · HN ↗

         I’m hoping that at some point we’d be able to have free range cows that are only hormonally forced to make milk. And no calves need to be born (or killed).

         1. kaybe · 1790031191 · focus · HN ↗

            You can keep the calf with the mother half of the time at the cost of some milk and the benefit of less vet costs for the calf, at least. Some very few places do that. They say the cows are much less stressed once they realize the calf will be back by morning after milking.

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