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Australia says it could follow Canada in forging deeper ties with EU

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  1. whatsThisBtn4 · · focus · HN ↗

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    1. xethos · · focus · HN ↗
      > Gosh if Kamala was elected, there'd still be a war in Iran, but we'd pretend it's different. Obama bombed Syria and no one cared.

      Are we really going to pretend the 51st state rhetoric would be the same with any Democrat in the White House?

      > Do we hate giving the uneducated masses a vote?

      No, I but I do think they've had some dogshit candidates picked for them, especially recently

      1. bawolff · · focus · HN ↗
        No, but lets be real, the problem isn't just Trump. If Kamala wins by an inch, that still means USA is not a place you can trust. Stability is important.

        Not to mention the total unwillingness of congress to restrain trump.

        The american left likes to pretend trump is the problem, and if he goes then everything is fine. That is wishful thinking; he is just the symptom.

        1. krapp · · focus · HN ↗
          >The american left likes to pretend trump is the problem, and if he goes then everything is fine. That is wishful thinking; he is just the symptom.

          The American left has been screaming from the rooftops about systemic racism, misogyny and rape culture, capitalism, imperialism, right-wing Christianity, fascism and all of the deeper issues that Trump is a symptom for almost a century, and that Trump is just a symptom of those issues since 2016. Once again, Americans were warned. But because the warning came from people who weren't straight, white, male and Christian, no one bothered to listen.

          1. bawolff · · focus · HN ↗
            Screaming from the rooftop might feel good, but its ultimately not productive. Sometimes i think americans would rather let a problem run its course than fix it, just so they can say i told you so.
            1. krapp · · focus · HN ↗
              If you want to blame someone for Trump, blame the people who kept voting for him instead of the people who didn't.
              1. bawolff · · focus · HN ↗
                I'll blame America for it.
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