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Backups Aren't Simple

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  1. publlus_enigma · · focus · HN ↗
    There are four times in my life I have suffered regrettable data loss incidents.

    The first was when the telephone pole outside our house was struck directly by lightning. Not only was it the loudest thing I have ever heard, the current surged through the telephone line, into the internal fax modem, and fries everything within its vicinity. I was 10. I did have backuos, but only only floppy and they didn't cover everything.

    The second was storing data in OneDrive - a change to their terms surrounding "lifetime" unlikely noted storage, combined with a client that was unusably slow to download and a deadline for data retrieval meant that I lost most of my files.

    The third was SD card failure in digital camera on holiday, the controller chip died catastrophically, leaving the card completely unrecognised. It was a brand new Sony 128GB card, manufactured by Toshiba, and it seemed to be a common issue. I now shoot to two cards simultaneously.

    And the fourth time was ... Performing a backup. An errant script deleted the source content, but I'd also deleted the existing backup to free up space for the new backup. I've been weary of using rewritable media for some time now as a consequence, but I think backups themselves are high risk activities.

    1. baxtr · · focus · HN ↗
      Since we’re talking about it: anyone backing up their iCloud photos? If so, how?
      1. wallst07 · · focus · HN ↗
        Amazing question with nobody really answering your question 100%.

        The answer is : it's hard. If you only have a iphone and more photos on your icloud than can fit on your phone, you're kinda screwed if you don't know what you're doing.

        AFAIK Apple makes it very difficult to get all your icloud photos bulk downloaded, original quality off icloud.

        Google is no better.

        It's much easier to start backing up from the beginning but once you're stuck on icloud it's hard.

        1. pariainterpares · · focus · HN ↗
          Not a very good answer.

          If you have a Mac with sufficient storage, you can just enable iCloud to store photos locally, then export them. That could miss some data (I think descriptions you set for a photo were not exported the last time I checked), but it is most of the data.

          1. skylurk · · focus · HN ↗
            Do you need to export them? Can you not copy the library file to a different drive?
          2. wallst07 · · focus · HN ↗
            I didn't answer because it's had and I'd rather not give a incorrect answer.

            And, I may have conflated issues: Iphone Storage < Icloud storage vs opposite way.

        2. doubled112 · · focus · HN ↗
          I seem to remember being able to select all of the photos in iCloud in a browser and clicking download. It zips them and it worked.

          I would imagine this doesn't work well after a certain amount of data. I’m also not sure they were the originals.

        3. TeMPOraL · · focus · HN ↗
          Yup. Only reason I'm on OneDrive is that they don't mess with photos and their metadata. For now, at least.

          I guess it's because the core offering is still some version of "a folder that syncs", and the photo gallery is just a view bolted on top.

          I steer clear of any solutions scoped to photos only, as it always turns out they either screw you up by reducing quality and throwing away the originals, or trying to lock you in by only offering metadata they keep in a database they will not let you export.

        4. wuschel · · focus · HN ↗
          I did not try it, and I am nervous the day I need to - but I think there are some solutions to export photos from the Apple technology stack using open source software [1,2,3].

          I remember seeing a longer blogpost re the topic of retroengineering the Apple phot sync story, but I could not find it.

          [1] github.com&#x2F;rcarmo&#x2F;PhotosExport [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;craigtrim&#x2F;icloud-photo-export" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;craigtrim&#x2F;icloud-photo-export [3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;icloud-photos-downloader.github.io&#x2F;icloud_photos_downloader&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;icloud-photos-downloader.github.io&#x2F;icloud_photos_dow...

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