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1. dabinat · 1789588567 · focus · HN ↗

   Prediction: this causes a recession in two years, right after a Democrat wins the White House, who will be blamed for it. The economy will turn around after a few years, just in time for a Republican to win and claim they fixed it.

   This is how Republicans have a reputation for being economically savvy despite actual evidence to the contrary, because the general population doesn’t understand that economics runs on a time delay.

   1. jameslk · 1789589453 · focus · HN ↗

      Both parties are responsible for the inflation and debt. Fiscal policy is largely driven by congress, not the president

      1. matteoraso · 1789590079 · focus · HN ↗

         And which party controls congress? I'll give you a hint: It's the party that spent decades advocating for irresponsible tax cuts without cutting spending[0].

         [0] Yes, I know that the Republicans said that they were going to cut spending to match the tax cuts, but that never ends up happening.

         1. jameslk · 1789590474 · focus · HN ↗

            The high inflation since Covid and $40 trillion in debt didn’t happen under one party

            1. atmavatar · 1789591785 · focus · HN ↗

               The (vast?) majority of the debt happened as the result of the Republican party both increasing spending and cutting taxes every time it lands someone in the White House and before midterms flip the House back to Democrats.

               There's a fair argument to be made that the Democrats could/should have reversed these disastrous fiscal policies when they gained power, but it's important to be wary of Murc's Law while also acknowledging doing so would also burn a lot of political capital Democrats never seem to have much of.

               The American electorate is a grade school child constantly evaluating which parent it likes the most. One tells you that you can eat as much candy as you like and play video games all night (neither of which hit you until the following day), while the other occasionally tells you to eat your vegetables, do your homework, and clean your room.

               1. jameslk · 1789594167 · focus · HN ↗

                  > The (vast?) majority of the debt happened as the result of the Republican party both increasing spending and cutting taxes every time it lands someone in the White House and before midterms flip the House back to Democrats.

                  Both parties have run an increasing deficit, with the only outlier being a small amount of time in the late 90s. The deficit is largely caused by social security outlays, medicare/medicaid outlays, and military spending, none of which are going to meaningfully change under either party

                  1. sbohacek · 1789601591 · focus · HN ↗

                     Maybe you mean something different, but not every recent president has "run an increasing deficit" Reagan: +74B Bush: +103B Clinton: -382B Bush: +1.5T Obama: -747B Trump: +2.1T Biden: -1T

                     Where change in deficit is the final budget deficit - starting budget deficit

                     So, every Republican president runs an increasing deficit and every Democrat president runs a decreasing deficit.

                     1. jameslk · 1789612256 · focus · HN ↗

                        Congress is the one that largely makes the fiscal policy choices. For example, during Clinton’s second term when the deficit was almost eliminated (some claim there was a surplus, but there wasn’t because of social security liabilities), you had a republican controlled congress who were pushing for cuts and fiscal tightening:

                        <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Contract_with_America" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Contract_with_America

                        1. cbolton · 1789637126 · focus · HN ↗

                           The republican program was in large part vetoed by Clinton though and the spending cuts that passed were largely offset by the tax cuts. From what I read the reduction in deficit is mostly due to the dot-com boom, helped with the &quot;deficit reduction act&quot; of 1993 that was pushed by Clinton and happened to hike taxes at the right time to tax the boom.

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