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PS5 Linux lead quits: "a bunch of noobs using LLMs" that "they don't understand"

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arnaudsm · 1789570645 · focus · HN ↗
Misleading title, there's another major reason: it's an embargo agreement violation that jeopardizes Linux support on PS5.
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1. _zoltan_ · 1789570776 · focus · HN ↗
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  1. [deleted] · 1789570875 · focus · HN ↗
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  2. gblargg · 1789570877 · focus · HN ↗
    You ignored the part about "writing hacks they don't even understand." LLM is fine if you use it as one of many tools to form your work and not a substitute for yourself.
  3. viktorcode · 1789571005 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't find that offensive at all. People do not understand the code they make AI to generate, but that doesn't stop them from submitting. This is a real problem that has hit many open source projects, and I expect more and more of them will introduce barriers to submission.
    noir_lord · 1789571344 · focus · HN ↗
    LLM use has been polarised like everything else seemingly is.
    I have no issue with people using them to do things they could already do themselves as an efficiency thing and if they check and understand the result.
    Unfortunately that seems to be the exception not the rule and the amount of "one shot slop" has increased dramatically, it's even affecting the modding communities for games.
    This is gonna be a mess that is going to take time to figure out and then even more time to clean up.
    mrbonner · 1789571436 · focus · HN ↗
    It’s not only for coding. If my coworker send me a lengthy doc that obviously 100% written by AI without even reviewed/revised by them, I wouldn’t read because it is a waste of my time and an insult to me.
    Jtsummers · 1789571657 · focus · HN ↗
    We removed a guy from a project for doing something like that. North of 100 pages, and mostly wrong. What wasn't wrong was so generic it was useless. I don't know what he's working on now, but at least it's not our stuff.
  4. bigfishrunning · 1789571160 · focus · HN ↗
    > I find this very offensive.
    You shouldn't, unless you're producing a bunch of code you don't understand.
    _zoltan_ · 1789571676 · focus · HN ↗
    you might be OK with calling everybody using LLMs a bunch of noobs. I disagree. this has nothing to do with my own usage.
    buttercraft · 1789572437 · focus · HN ↗
    > everybody using LLMs a bunch of noobs
    That wasn't even the claim...
    bigfishrunning · 1789572506 · focus · HN ↗
    I don't think he was calling everybody that is using LLMs a bunch of noobs. I think he was calling the people using LLMs to submit code they don't understand a bunch of noobs. I think if the patches were well reasoned and could be talked about in detail by their submitters, he'd have much less of a complaint.
    lioeters · 1789578530 · focus · HN ↗
    They are identifying with this new powerful technology, because it makes them feel as if they're powerful also.
    Like how drivers of monster trucks get a rush from feeling like the power of the machine is their own. Some users of LLMs exhibit the same kind of arrogance of being on the side of a powerful force, like the law enforcement or military. I imagine some gun owners get that rush too. When you take away the gun or the truck, suddenly they feel vulnerable.

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