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A warning about 'model welfare'

242 points · 701 comments · andsoitis

  1. myrmidon · · focus · HN ↗
    I have a very simple benchmark for arguments on AI ethics:

    Substitute black people/women/animals as subject (instead of AI).

    Does that make you sound like a well-known moustache wearer?

    Then your argument is bad and needs work. This clearly falls into that category.

    1. myaccountonhn · · focus · HN ↗
      My issue is that I've seen some bad takes in rationalist circles that believe in functionalism, and consciousness as an emergent property of a sufficiently complex computation.

      Using that as their foundation, they've then argued that most animals are not conscious (or less conscious), but LLMs are.

      1. myrmidon · · focus · HN ↗
        That is wild.

        I strongly believe that any definition of consciousness that excludes all animals is unusable BS (but people love to argue about consciousness without defining it at all, anyway).

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