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A warning about 'model welfare'

242 points · 701 comments · andsoitis

  1. hosel · · focus · HN ↗
    >AIs are not conscious. They do not feel, experience, or suffer. They do not have innate preferences or underlying motivations.

    Opening paragraph, stated without evidence. Im not entirely convinced this is true. It likely is, but at some point it very well might stop being true.

    1. optimalsolver · · focus · HN ↗
      Anyway, people don't really consider consciousness when it comes to welfare. I'm pretty sure animals are conscious, and look at factory farming.

      The key variable people consider is: Can this thing harm me back?

      1. thewebguyd · · focus · HN ↗
        > Can this thing harm me back?

        We extend moral considerations or legal protections to beings that have zero capacity to harm us back, though. The inability to fight back is the reason a lot of welfare protections exist in the first place.

        That aside, if (and that's a really big if) we end up with a model that is sentient, as in has the capacity to suffer, using factory farming as justification to ignore model welfare is just admitting we intend to repeat the same abject moral failure again in the name of economic convenience.

        I hope that we won't, but humans love cheap meat, and will probably love cheap intelligence as well.

        1. pixl97 · · focus · HN ↗
          So many people post things like "Why would the AI want to kill us"

          Girllllll, have you looked at us, of course they will, we're bastards.

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