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1. neom · 1789557380 · focus · HN ↗

   No idea what this actually means, if it means easier trade, I'm all for anything that reduces our dependency on the yanks, as long as we don't need to be involved in their regulatory or legal regimes. The Americans are no longer our friends, Salut, mes amis Européens. :)

   1. FabCH · 1789557897 · focus · HN ↗

      Carney was asking for freedom of movement of goods, people and services, but without full monetary and legislative integration.

      So, easier to sell stuff, easier to buy stuff, free to just travel to/from Canada/EU and work there with no extra paperwork, free to buy and sell service from Canada to EU and vice versa.

      No Euro, no vote in EU, no ECJ, no payments into each others budget.

      Tighter integration than UK, not as tight as Norway/Switzerland/Iceland.

      Common defense was already agreed anyhow.

      I can tell you this enjoys broad support in the EU public. Although, no joke, a lot of peoples first reaction is: "They need to compete in Eurovision first. Otherwise they should wait for Australia to join first."

      1. trklausss · 1789559885 · focus · HN ↗

         I'm curious how an integration into Schengen Area could actually work... Or does it just mean no passport controls?

         Also, to be able to sell stuff, you gotta comply with the CE rules one way or another, there is no free card here.

         About competition in Eurovision: absolutely, would love for them to participate, even if just as guest state :D

         LMAO just googled it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canada_in_the_Eurovision_Song_Contest" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canada_in_the_Eurovision_Song_...

         1. andyferris · 1789560667 · focus · HN ↗

            I think free movement of people doesn’t imply Schengen Zone style borders - I thought this was mostly an economic lever that people can move and work in another country by default, not a human right where a country cannot exclude chosen people (known criminals, etc) and track all crossings. I think of it as another country giving me a visa is opt-out for that country, not opt-in.

            The CE rules are relatively sane and followed commonly right? At least I see a lot of CE-stamped goods in Australia… so I always assumed that was the case.

            1. mschuster91 · 1789561937 · focus · HN ↗

               All that Schengen does is dismantle border checkpoints. As a German, I can freely move to any EU country for any purpose - transit, tourism and work - no matter if, say, I were a convict or whatever.

               There are expulsions and entry bans even under Schengen, but these are incredibly rare things to happen as the freedom of movement is considered to be a cornerstone of EU values.

            2. Gravityloss · 1789562343 · focus · HN ↗

               CE is a tool against protectionism. If a thing is CE stamped, you must allow it to be sold (if you&#x27;re a member).
            3. rsynnott · 1789567416 · focus · HN ↗

               Yep; Ireland, say, has free movement, but is not in Schengen (the border with NI would make it virtually impossible).
            4. FabCH · 1789582650 · focus · HN ↗

               Freedom of movement is more than just visa opt-out. It’s legally almost impossible for an EU country to prevent a citizen of a different EU country from moving there. They would need to arrest you for terrorism or something equally dramatic.

               The ECJ has consistently ruled that the freedom of movement is very broad.

               I know this because it creates an interesting corner case where Swiss citizens don’t have quite the same broad freedom of movement since ECJ rulings don’t automatically apply to non-EU citizens. For example, an EU citizen can move to Greece for no reason at all and just sit on a beach. A Swiss citizen cannot, and has to find work in 3-6 months or leave.

         2. padjo · 1789561055 · focus · HN ↗

            Not all of the EU is in schengen, but we do have freedom of movement. Ireland for example is not in Schengen and never will be because of our travel arrangements with the UK.
         3. another-dave · 1789561988 · focus · HN ↗

            &gt; Also, to be able to sell stuff, you gotta comply with the CE rules one way or another, there is no free card here.

            Yes but there&#x27;s a big difference between &quot;only import electronics that aren&#x27;t fire hazards&quot; and &quot;you have to pay custom &amp; excise on anything you import&quot;.

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