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1. noir_lord · 1789555669 · focus · HN ↗

   Good, if the middle power democracies don't align/work together they are going to get torn apart in the struggle between the US and China.

   1. krona · 1789556716 · focus · HN ↗

      70% of Canadian exports are to the US. 6% to the EU. Why would e.g. Poland want to enter a trade war with the US on Canada's behalf?

      1. 9dev · 1789557286 · focus · HN ↗

         Because the US is going to throw Poland under the bus without even considering once if it yields a short-term benefit.

         1. walthamstow · 1789557555 · focus · HN ↗

            Under the bus again, I might add

            1. gustavus · 1789558124 · focus · HN ↗

               That's rich considering it was France and the UK that threw Poland under the bus despite having a signed defense pact. The US just came in to clean up the mess.

               1. post-it · 1789558278 · focus · HN ↗

                  I don't think they're talking about WWII.
               2. ajuc · 1789558367 · focus · HN ↗

                  WW2 ended with Yalta conference where Roosevelt agreed to Stalin's proposition of giving Poland to USSR's sphere of influence, making Poland (and rest of EE) their puppet state.

                  Churchil wanted to pressure Stalin to leave Poland (and at least parts of EE) independent and even considered "Operation Unthinkable".

                  At least that's what I think the guy above referenced.

                  1. hilbert42 · 1789561056 · focus · HN ↗

                     That's pretty much what happened. Trouble was the stakes were already high, if Starlin didn't yield to a bluff (had one been pursued) it would have been an embarrassing backdown and a show of weakness on part of the allies.

                     "Bluff" because no one other than perhaps Stalin would have followed through—to essentially extend WWII (this time between former allies).

                     So pragmatism was the order of the day, thus Poland and EE were sacrificed.

               3. UpsideDownRide · 1789559329 · focus · HN ↗

                  If Stewie punched me, It doesn't mean Quagmire didnt.
               4. awruko · 1789559923 · focus · HN ↗

                  I am under impression that some other nation was involved in cleaning up. If you can even call it cleaning up.
               5. ifwinterco · 1789560306 · focus · HN ↗

                  Well we started an enormous war that basically destroyed Europe over poland, so I guess at least we tried?

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