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1. gizajob · 1789546655 · focus · HN ↗

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   1. cromka · 1789547339 · focus · HN ↗

      I love that argument now parroted all over the Internet. Love it because what these people actually eman is they want an elected president, which would legitimize EU even more, hopefully with its own constitution.

      1. bawolff · 1789547511 · focus · HN ↗

         EU already has a constitution (?)

         1. mattashii · 1789547801 · focus · HN ↗

            Nope, it doesn't. It's current legal basis is a series of treaties, the attempt to create a constitution failed when in 2005 the various countries' local referenda on supporting an EU constitution failed to garner the required support. FRA' referendum failed 45-55, and NLD's consultative referendum on June 1 also gave a solid "no" (38.5% yes vs 61.5% no).

            1. gizajob · 1789569482 · focus · HN ↗

               But as it’s proven time and time again, when there’s democratic pushback and rejection of its ideas, it just ignores the democracy and continues with the ideas regardless. The Lisbon treaty being rejected has just led to all its aims being implemented piecemeal anyway. And nobody in Europe asked for or voted for having a president, yet here is Ursula speaking for everyone today, again.

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