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685 points · 362 comments · ChrisArchitect

  1. swingandamiss · · focus · HN ↗

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    1. dallen33 · · focus · HN ↗
      Yeah cuz X is fucking shitty, why would I want to give them any traffic?
      1. qwerpy · · focus · HN ↗
        “It’s ok to do bad things to people/things I don’t like”

        Feels good when you get to dish it out doesn’t it?

        1. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
          if kidnapping is so bad why do we put the Unabomber in prison
      2. xp84 · · focus · HN ↗
        Then... don't? If it sucks so much why do you need to read the tweets?

        Great take: "This private website is owned by a man I don't like, so I refuse to pay for it - or even give it the possibility to monetize my traffic with ads!"

        Still quite mainstream take: "... so I'll use an adblocker on it"

        Immature take: "This private website that I hate and boycott is also an important part of our culture, but the posts on it are too important and valuable to ignore, so I'll use a proxy to scrape it"

        1. ImPostingOnHN · · focus · HN ↗
          You're confusing the site for the content on it.

          Some of the content is good, the site sucks and is run by a guy who seig-heils crowds.

          Even if the content sucked, your post has big "you want to improve `X`, yet you participate in `X`"[0] energy.

          0 – <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kitzy.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;assets&#x2F;images&#x2F;we-should-improve-society.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kitzy.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;assets&#x2F;images&#x2F;we-should-improve-so...

          1. xp84 · · focus · HN ↗
            Twitter is not society. It&#x27;s a privately-owned web site, nothing more. Always has been. Participating in it is giving your bogeyman power.
            1. ImPostingOnHN · · focus · HN ↗
              I didn&#x27;t say Twitter is a society, and it doesn&#x27;t need to be.

              The joke in the comic is &quot;Mr. Gotcha&quot; trying to counter a desire by people to change things, by pointing out that those people participate in those things. Could be society, could be Twitter, could be anything. The comic takes this common internet argument to its logical extreme. The takeaway is that participating in something doesn&#x27;t actually detract from efforts to change it.

              Also, to think that I, one person, can give or withdraw any of twitter&#x27;s power is a silly proposition.

      3. slig · · focus · HN ↗
        You&#x27;re giving them attention, thus validating their existence and their numbers.
    2. kg · · focus · HN ↗
      Does xcancel scrape twitter? Isn&#x27;t it more like a proxy for specific user requests to view tweets?
    3. faefox · · focus · HN ↗
      Yes, anything that potentially costs Elon Musk money is objectively a good thing. :)
    4. righthand · · focus · HN ↗
      No one is upset that the AI companies are scraping the web, they’re upset how poorly implemented the scrapers, but the scraping itself is fine. Lots of people and businesses scrape the web.
      1. akerl_ · · focus · HN ↗
        There are people commenting parallel to you saying they are upset about AI companies scraping the web.
        1. righthand · · focus · HN ↗
          Yeah I dont think they know why they think that.
          1. Joel_Mckay · · focus · HN ↗
            Copyright, patent, and trademark law. The LLM firms misappropriated $9Tn of FOSS community work, ignored the license terms, and resell isomorphic plagiarism tokens to people getting farmed for more data.

            If you still don&#x27;t understand, than you don&#x27;t understand how LLM are made.

            Just because something is publicly accessible doesn&#x27;t mean it is Public Domain. Having hosting people pay for the bots stolen bandwidth (or DDoS), is also theft of service under the law. =3

        2. mitxela · · focus · HN ↗
          Because of the request load though. The ethical thing is separate.
    5. yifanl · · focus · HN ↗
      It&#x27;s almost as if moral values aren&#x27;t assigned universally.
    6. [deleted] · · focus · HN ↗

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    7. knowaveragejoe · · focus · HN ↗
      Correct, and nothing wrong with that.
      1. MadameMinty · · focus · HN ↗
        &quot;Kidnapping innocents bad but imprisoning criminals good?? Inconceivable!&quot;
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