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Gemini 3.8 Live and 3.8 Live Extended Thinking

493 points · 328 comments · leumon

  1. rdtsc · · focus · HN ↗
    I wonder when/if we’ll see Gemini beating Fable and Astra. Last year I would have confidently bet Google will overtake the others just because they have the data, the hardware (TPUs) and a fat advertising money pipe and yet they are still behind. Anyone anonymous at Google want to hint when Gemini 4 will be out?
    1. _s_a_m_ · · focus · HN ↗
      If Google didnt have their ad buisness theiy'd be out by now. They're like BlackBerry and Nokia at this point almost.
      1. nolok · · focus · HN ↗
        Not sure what your comment mean in the context of parent's comment.

        As opposed to what, them not having it and burning money that isn't their instead like openai and anthropic? At least Google is feeding itself instead of having to create a bubble to stay alive

        1. verdverm · · focus · HN ↗
          Google spent most of their cash, they are now taking loans for data centers too. They recorded their first quarter of negative cash flows ever
          1. runako · · focus · HN ↗
            Google has in excess of $121 billion of cash (& equivalents), net of total debt.

            Big rich companies take on debt for reasons that are sometimes inscrutable from the outside. Recently, they have been borrowing for ~5%, about a half point above what the US government gets for 10-year Treasuries.

            Apple has been financing operations with debt for a number of years as part of a complex optimization plan.

            No, Google is not broke.

            1. verdverm · · focus · HN ↗
              There are a lot of accounting shenanigans going on in Big Ai, financial reports are misleading, eg Meta "building" a data center through a shell company and then renting it to themselves. It does wonders for the looks of the books

              Some expert wall street analysts discussing what they found and how they dissect things, have a healthy skepticism of Big Ai

              <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YrJzjC4kKCY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=YrJzjC4kKCY

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