I just did something similar to bring mainline Linux to my Daylight DC-1 [1] [2], although possibly more difficult since I had to start from scratch.
I can guarantee the same amount of work, without AI, takes probably 10x or more time (I did it in the past w/ the Google Pixel C [3]).
Unfortunately it looks like pmOS is against AI [4], so I'll likely switch away from pmOS and never contribute a single line in the future.
Too bad, I was a huge fan [5].
Because one of the biggest hurdles to porting the Linux kernel and device-specific software to more hardware and making existing hardware work better is one of the things that "AI" can (seemingly, caveat) do surprisingly well?
Not to say PM (or any other project) should/shouldn't use AI. There are plenty of other salient reasons to reject AI. But given (from what I remember) postmarket's goal is basically saving as many phones from becoming ewaste as possible, well, an LLM could actually be a formidable way to get more hardware than ever running.
Except nothing about AI produces properly open source code? You can't prove it didn't pull from closed source code, no more clean room approaches if everyone just wants to bow to the LLMs.
Even beyond all the other ethical issues I don't see how the open source world accepts this.
I guess in the same way we accept that the open source & licensed code was used to train the models, or in the same way we accept that Google / Meta / Anthropic and all the others use copyrighted material to get the degree of intelligence that it needs.
If you extend this thought and this rationale to humans as well, we shouldn't be allowed to "get smarter" by consuming copyrighted content (movies, books) or anything really - as we might end up referencing them.
I think copyright laws are being bended a lot here - and I don't think (as a copyright holder myself) I'm too concerned about that - if this then allows humanity to move forward. It's a philosophical topic really, more than a legal one
denysvitali · · focus · HN ↗
I can guarantee the same amount of work, without AI, takes probably 10x or more time (I did it in the past w/ the Google Pixel C [3]).
Unfortunately it looks like pmOS is against AI [4], so I'll likely switch away from pmOS and never contribute a single line in the future. Too bad, I was a huge fan [5].
[1]: <a href="https://daylightcomputer.com/product" rel="nofollow">https://daylightcomputer.com/product
[2]: <a href="https://x.com/DenysVitali/status/2091238391710888416" rel="nofollow">https://x.com/DenysVitali/status/2091238391710888416
[3]: <a href="https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/pixelc-linux/documentation
[4]: <a href="https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/development/ai-policy.html" rel="nofollow">https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/develop...
[5]: <a href="https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/" rel="nofollow">https://blog.denv.it/posts/pmos-k3s-cluster/
officeplant · · focus · HN ↗
Why would you think one of the more beloved projects for linux mobile phones would be pro-AI?
spijdar · · focus · HN ↗
Not to say PM (or any other project) should/shouldn't use AI. There are plenty of other salient reasons to reject AI. But given (from what I remember) postmarket's goal is basically saving as many phones from becoming ewaste as possible, well, an LLM could actually be a formidable way to get more hardware than ever running.
officeplant · · focus · HN ↗
Even beyond all the other ethical issues I don't see how the open source world accepts this.
denysvitali · · focus · HN ↗
If you extend this thought and this rationale to humans as well, we shouldn't be allowed to "get smarter" by consuming copyrighted content (movies, books) or anything really - as we might end up referencing them.
I think copyright laws are being bended a lot here - and I don't think (as a copyright holder myself) I'm too concerned about that - if this then allows humanity to move forward. It's a philosophical topic really, more than a legal one