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The Beauty of Roundabouts

100 points · 222 comments · ngruhn

  1. propter_hoc · · focus · HN ↗
    My best friend is a highly experienced civil engineer, specialized in designing intersections. His take on roundabouts:

    - They are adored by urban planners because they look nice and you can put a statue or fountain in the middle

    - They reduce T-bone collisions

    However:

    - Small fender benders and sideswipes are much more frequent

    - They use way more area

    - They work where each direction has an approximately equal amount of traffic. However, usually, one direction (north/south, say) has a larger share of the traffic. In those cases, the bulk of traffic all needs to slow down, downshift, turn a bit in one direction and then turn a bit in the other direction for the minority of traffic that's bleeding on or off the main artery. In those cases, a traffic light is better because the timing can be adjusted to the proportion of traffic from each direction (and more flexible since it can be adjusted over time).

    - Finally, they're also (mostly) worse for cyclists and pedestrians.

    Essentially, they have use cases, especially in small towns, and they're pretty, but they're usually not the right engineering solution.

    1. pkamb · · focus · HN ↗
      > the bulk of traffic all needs to slow down, downshift, turn a bit in one direction and then turn a bit in the other direction for the minority of traffic that's bleeding on or off the main artery.

      Slowing/calming traffic like this is a good thing. Make it impossible to speed. Enforce the existing 35mph speed limit via concrete rather than allowing cars to rip through a yellow light at 70mph. You're also ignoring this aspect when you call roundabouts "(mostly) worse for cyclists and pedestrians".

      1. kazinator · · focus · HN ↗
        A place where traffic slows down, without actually stopping, and becomes congested with no time/space gaps between vehicles, is worse for pedestrians.
        1. bulder · · focus · HN ↗
          The traffic has to yield to pedestrians when entering and exiting a roundabout, period.
          1. pasc1878 · · focus · HN ↗
            Not in UK.

            However there are often pedestrian crossings across the roads or the volume is low enough pedestrians can easily cross. A local roundabout got busy enough we had crossing added less than 10 years ago and the biggest road there was a minor B road.

            I am a pedestrian due to sight issues and have found very few places where it is difficult to cross when needed.

            1. sagarm · · focus · HN ↗
              The "when needed" suggests that there are plenty of difficulty to cross intersections, you're just able to avoid them. Is that accurate?
              1. pasc1878 · · focus · HN ↗
                No it just means I can't remeber any at the moment – but I am, dure some can be found.
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