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The Beauty of Roundabouts

100 points · 222 comments · ngruhn

  1. propter_hoc · · focus · HN ↗
    My best friend is a highly experienced civil engineer, specialized in designing intersections. His take on roundabouts:

    - They are adored by urban planners because they look nice and you can put a statue or fountain in the middle

    - They reduce T-bone collisions

    However:

    - Small fender benders and sideswipes are much more frequent

    - They use way more area

    - They work where each direction has an approximately equal amount of traffic. However, usually, one direction (north/south, say) has a larger share of the traffic. In those cases, the bulk of traffic all needs to slow down, downshift, turn a bit in one direction and then turn a bit in the other direction for the minority of traffic that's bleeding on or off the main artery. In those cases, a traffic light is better because the timing can be adjusted to the proportion of traffic from each direction (and more flexible since it can be adjusted over time).

    - Finally, they're also (mostly) worse for cyclists and pedestrians.

    Essentially, they have use cases, especially in small towns, and they're pretty, but they're usually not the right engineering solution.

    1. MrSkelter · · focus · HN ↗
      Roundabouts do not need more space.

      You can draw a circle on the road and have “roundabout rules” without the need for any car to even turn their wheels.

      1. Lvl999Noob · · focus · HN ↗
        Not a civil engineer but as far as I know, the space is part of the point. If you keep the roads straight but just draw a circle in the middle, you don't have a roundabout. It only works properly if the drivers have to curve in and out of it.

        You could keep the same space I guess by pinching the roads tighter near the entries/exits but I don't think anyone is talking about that.

        1. scrlk · · focus · HN ↗
          The UK has mini roundabouts, which are just a painted white circle on the road: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;commons&#x2F;b&#x2F;b0&#x2F;Mini-roundabout.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;upload.wikimedia.org&#x2F;wikipedia&#x2F;commons&#x2F;b&#x2F;b0&#x2F;Mini-rou...

          Drivers treat them as a normal roundabout by giving way to traffic on the right.

          1. leni536 · · focus · HN ↗
            I contest that drivers always treat it the same. They often go through the circle&#x2F;cut th corner when there is low traffic, and I know at least one mini roundabout where traffic is way less frequent in one direction and the other direction is treated as the &quot;main road&quot; without slowing down.

            I mostly like them though.

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