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Qwen3.8 Max now ranked as the best overall model by agentic index

403 points · 261 comments · apitman

  1. theropost · · focus · HN ↗
    Anthropic is a bit nuts, I had $260 of credits on my max account for the extra usage the other night. It was expiring, so I figured I'll fire up an agentic swarm to deep dive and make some deep changes to some old cold bases.. literally 25 minutes or less, $260 burnt, it didn't get get into the implementation, just wrote a ton of useless plans for the most part. It really opened my eyes to what they expect to charge people.. wayyyy overpriced.
    1. aenis · · focus · HN ↗
      I managed to lose around $300 in credits I had saved for some emergency /fast sessions the following way: switch to Fable. Work on the design. Downgrade to Opus for the build. If any of other parallel Opus session has /fast enabled it seems to enable it for the newly spawned session by default. Before I knew it, the $300 was gone. I think the bug is now solved, but it was rather unpleasant. I dont ever remember bugs that would drain my wallet - with claude code its just another Tuesday. Still love it.
      1. gnull · · focus · HN ↗
        Claude code is just pool quality. They don't make how this thing will behave clear to the user, or give control. They fail at anything that needs an abstraction or model, not just APIs and shell scripts glued together. And "just ask AI" seems to be the default fix.

        That vibe coding they brag about as if it was a good thing, it shows.

        Take their notation for describing permissions. The docs are not comprehensive, and in practice it doesn't quite work how they describe it.

        Or their management of sub-agents. I once lost a sub-agent, it finished and disappeared from UI. Apparently, you can't bring it back yourself: you have to ask the parent agent to do it for you. But the parent was Fable, and I ran out of credits, so I was locked out of using my opus sub-agent because of it.

        Or an even more grotesque example: when you paste your claude API token to authorize, it covers characters with *. But it seems like an LLM has hallucinated a limit of API key length and the tail of your key stays visible.

        1. thejosh · · focus · HN ↗
          so many ridiculous "how the fuck did this get through basic QA?" issues with Claude Code.

          I can't believe how many critical bugs fall through.

          My favourite one is the bug where Plan mode can execute destructive commands inadvertently.

          Then all these get closed with `Closing for now — inactive for too long. Please open a new issue if this is still relevant.`. Awesome.

          1. formerly_proven · · focus · HN ↗
            > I can't believe how many critical bugs fall through.

            Almost like CC is 100% vibe coded.

          2. ethin · · focus · HN ↗
            I mean. This is what happens with vibe-coded projects. When there's no actual software engineering going on, I wouldn't expect anything better than this.
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