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1. heaney-555 · 1786046147 · focus · HN ↗

   Giving free ChatGPT users access to reasoning (the 'Think' toggle) will have a broader impact on the world than every new paid model and coding agent combined.

   1. daemonologist · 1786048088 · focus · HN ↗

      Going from 5.5 Instant (which was noticeably bad) to 5.6 Luna is a big jump as well. OpenAI is probably the most prominent among the generaly public - an advantage in some respects but they're giving away a lot of free inference and thus have to use a pretty small model to do it.

      1. johnsmith1840 · 1786050710 · focus · HN ↗

         I really don't see how they're going to be google here. The free tier is dominated by verticle integration and the platform that people use. Long term I imagine google wins the bottom of the market and I'd be suprised if they lost.

         1. tokioyoyo · 1786052342 · focus · HN ↗

            Ads.

            1. stymaar · 1786052691 · focus · HN ↗

               Ads work when you can server $.01 worth of ads to a user for $.0001 of server cost. I fail to see how you can make it work when doing LLM inference which is significantly costlier than web search.

               1. keeda · 1786066561 · focus · HN ↗

                  That's a problem Google has to solve too ;-)

                  To expand: it seems inevitable that Google's SERP format will be replaced with a conversational / chatbot / agentic interface, which equalizes the playing field for all chatbot providers.

                  This is because you can stuff in much fewer ads into a chat interface compared to SERPs. (They could try stuffing more ads but that would likely just push users more to the competition who have a much lower baseline on which to show growth.) As such, Google would be forced to progressively nullify its own invincible firehose of ad revenue as they deprecate SERPs in favor of AI overviews.

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