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Born Against, or why hobby programming communities are against LLM usage

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  1. QuantumNoodle · · focus · HN ↗
    A hobby is something you enjoy the process of doing, not just the end result. Everybody likes a clean home, but cleaning is rarely a hobby. LLMs expedite achieving the end result. Take from that what you will.
    1. bawolff · · focus · HN ↗
      I think part of it though is that LLMs (especially in novice hands) create code that is more difficult to review and has subtler bugs. Code review is (for many) the least fun part of programming.

      Like imagine if your hobby was cooking, but you hated the cleanup. If you buy a robot that automates the fun part at the cost of making twice the mess, that is not a good trade off no matter how many extra cookies you end up with.

      1. juleiie · · focus · HN ↗
        What you need from LLM is recipe making.

        Main course is this this and this, 1. Do this 2. Plug this 3. Run this.. step by step plan.

        So you get a precise top down construction plan. Then it’s easy to split the parts where the coding needs to be manual (smoothing walls) vs where it can be whateverz (laying concrete).

        LLMs reward seeing forest instead of trees.

        This way one person can implement a whole new hobby project instead of only writing a single specialized part in an existing project.

        Good luck making a grand strategy game in two months holidays without an LLM. Now you can.

        People focused on the trees will however lag behind as implementation details matter less and less.

        Yes manual touch is still needed in some parts of the construction process but architecting the whole thing is the most important in 2026.

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        ADHD wins over autism in the immediate future. It was balanced in the past for development to need both but now it’s a total hyperactive victory of general knowledge, master of none.

        Specialists will be fed to the model weights, generalists will inherit the world.

        1. stevefan1999 · · focus · HN ↗
          > This way one person can implement a whole new hobby project instead of only writing a single specialized part in an existing project.

          I still do start from bottom up to refactor everything into workspace members and this way, parallelism is way easier

          > LLMs reward seeing forest instead of trees.

          Not just forest. LLMs reward seeing structures and designs, and it still requires a lot of creativity to design it well. I have to do a lot of architect works for that, like package layout, testing strategies (BDD vs TDD vs E2E), setting up access to platforms and digging out what strategies to apply...etc.

          > People focused on the trees will however lag behind as implementation details matter less and less.

          Trees like demonstrations and example code are even more important. This is because those are literally post-training materials for the LLMs

          > Specialists will be fed to the model weights

          I don't think so. New labor laws are certainly going to be introduced by the politicans to tackle this.

          > generalists will inherit the world.

          Now the problem is how far do you want to stretch the systemic thinking, and you also get burned out quicker.

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