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1. QuantumNoodle · 1785956641 · focus · HN ↗

   A hobby is something you enjoy the process of doing, not just the end result. Everybody likes a clean home, but cleaning is rarely a hobby. LLMs expedite achieving the end result. Take from that what you will.

   1. Aurornis · 1785958708 · focus · HN ↗

      > LLMs expedite achieving the end result. Take from that what you will.

      It's an age-old debate in every hobby.

      Some people are in it for the process. Others are in it for the end result, which is what they want to use or play with.

      In woodworking there are some circles who will sneer at you for using certain power tools instead of hand tools. I do think it's more impressive when someone makes something entirely with hand tools. I don't have all the time in the world to work on a project, so I'm going to use the power tools when I can.

      Some people care a lot about impressing others with how they made a thing. Some times that's appropriate, like if there's a competition for hand-made or human-written something. Other times, nobody cares. They're getting together to enjoy the end result, not the artisanal process used to make it.

      1. anematode · 1785961238 · focus · HN ↗

         > Some times that's appropriate, like if there's a competition for hand-made or human-written something.

         Indeed, and this is the problem: unlike woodworking, where my power-assisted creation is independent of, or complements, your handcraft, this engine is directly competing with other engines. Twiss is being disingenuous when he says he has no interest in submitting it to competitions; it plays on a rated account on Lichess, for example.

         1. janalsncm · 1785993830 · focus · HN ↗

            Now that we can mass produce tables and chairs I would imagine there are far fewer people whose career is hand crafting tables and chairs. So machines literally did out compete them.

            In fact handicraft people were out competed so hard many people forget that used to be a respectable career.

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